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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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Goldhawk-Road said:
First, you're deluding yourself when you say the "vast majority of people" support taking the knee. This survey taken last month shows less than half of football fans support it:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/england-taking-the-knee-fans-20804445

Second, taking the knee is an American gesture aimed at American race problems (that vastly exceed any we have in the UK). The US has two problems - high black crime rates, and endemic racist attitudes of many cops to black offenders like George Floyd. Floyd was murdered in the US, yet we then had violent demonstrations in the UK where British police were attacked. The submissive act of taking the knee over here just puts it into the mind of those that are ignorant that Floyd gave them justifiable grievances. Which goes on to my third point...

Imo there's a real risk by the continual submission to the knee, that it will push young black people towards the negative attitude of victimhood, rather than the positivity so many are showing now coming out of the school system. Racial discrimination must be eradicated at every opportunity, and looking at recent education results, much of the BAME population is succeeding. White working class and black West Indians are the sections of society underperforming at school.

Fourth comes the political point, that the BLM in the US is a neo-Marxist movement, which its founders admit it is. It's interesting to see from Twitter that most young wokies have no idea about this.

As far as GB News is concerned, I think it will succeed. I'd invest in it. It amuses me how all the liberal luvvies get so exercised about it. If they don't like the idea, they need not ****ing watch it. Farage now has an important slot (last night, interviewing "rebel" Sir Graham Brady). Farage is an natural presenter and is prepared to have a debate with anyone. He'll increase the audience figures, and indeed will Andrew Neil when he returns from his extended break.
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Just for accuracy, I didn’t say the vast majority support taking the knee, I said the vast majority understand that footballers are not left wing insurgents, they are simply making a statement about racism. Nothing about support. I might be wrong it’s just the impression I get.

The rest of your post kind of backs up my point, so cheers.
 
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Staines R's said:
Neither…I doubt it will show how far we’ve come is what I meant. It’s a 3 parter on BBC1 I think at 9pm. Starts off with the New Cross fire and ends with the ‘81 riots. Teally think you’ll enjoy it mate.

And I haven’t seen anyone in here saying racism doesn’t exist. Just saying we all have to question why these things happen and we all have to confront our own issues. IMO, movements like BLM are precisely why we are slipping back
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Yeah, I realised afterwards what you meant. I will watch it, but may have to record it.

Already looking forward to Cricket and Cummings tonight.
 
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Stroller said:
It's reporting a study by the Runnymede Trust, as did every mainstream medium at the time. I selected the Metro because it's owned by the Daily Mail and thought it might get more credence from the hard of thinking than if I posted the exact same article from the Guardian. It' the study that's important, not who's reporting it.
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Oi cheeky I don’t read the Mail! As for your ‘hard of thinking’ line you may want to address that with others.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
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Here's the GG interview. I just watched the early part again, and it seems pretty good humoured. Prepare yourself for his views on anal sex at about 7 minutes!
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Thanks for sharing that Goldie......thought as usual GG came across very well and answered everything asked of him, even through the obvious provocation from some of the people doing the questioning.
Lost his rag once but IMO, understandable.
 
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has the council not got any potholes to fill



Culture wars: Leeds City Council to investigate Parkin and Yorkshire Tea links to slavery
YORKSHIRE TEA and local baked delicacy Parkin is under review due to its problematic past and links to the slave trade.
By ISABELLA MARSANS
PUBLISHED: 07:26, Wed, Jul 21, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:39, Wed, Jul 21, 2021
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Yorkshire Tea ‘bans’ customer after anti-BLM comment

Parkin is a traditional ginger cake northern Brits have been enjoying since the 18th century. However, the cake may have connections to colonialism and the slave trade because of its ingredients.




The Black Lives Matter movement that swept the nation last year following the tragic death of George Floyd has prompted Leeds City Council to investigate the true history behind the beloved cake in order to educate the younger generation.



“Our work will aim to reflect these issues, looking at them from a contemporary perspective in an effort to tell their whole stories,” Leeds City Council told the Telegraph.


“Historically, some of the ingredients used to make these ‘local’ products were gained through the triangular slave trade (for example, sugar).”


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Parkin will be reviewed along with other local favourite products like Yorkshire Tea (Image: Getty•PA)

The goal is to examine “how local products such as Yorkshire Parkin and Yorkshire Tea are, in fact, reliant on global trade”.

The findings will be used to educate primary school pupils in the area.

The council explained that its aim is to educate pupils that, while these products are household favourites, some of the containing ingredients “would have been sourced from around the empire and would have involved the labour of enslaved people as well as exploitation of resources and communities around the world”.

Parkin is a gingerbread cake traditionally made with oatmeal and black treacle and typically made for autumn and winter celebrations like Guy Fawkes Night.


The findings will be used to educate primary school pupils in the area (Image: Getty)
It is still popular on Bonfire Night.

A prominent ingredient in the cake is ginger. The spice only became widespread in England due to European trading and colonial expansion.

Black treacle most likely would have been made with sugar imported from Britain's sugar plantations in the Carribean.

Yorkshire Tea is also being taken under review as while many prefer the drink with sugar that has colonial connections, it isn't the only thing worth examining.

The tea plants were grown in Britain's imperial colonies and imported to England.
 
Frome-Ranger said:
Are they still pretending its because of staff being pinged and not Brexit?
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That's what the government would like us to think, but there were already shortages before the 'pingdemic'. They'd also like us to think that all the pinging is because the app is too sensitive and not because of Freedom Day and the Johnson Variant.
 
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Stroller said:
Yes, I think it is.

Supermarkets are asking people not to panic-buy on account of all the shortages. How do you think that will go?
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There is a sad proportion of this country, from all sides of the political spectrum that don’t give a **** about anyone else and just think of themselves so of course there will be shortages of certain items ‘cos Beryl from Bermondsey must buy 232 toilet rolls to wipe her fat backside.
 
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Staines R's said:
We must exploit those foreign workers, eh Frome. Let’s be honest that’s what it’s all about….Bring in cheap Labour, keep the wages down for everyone and make vast profit for the bosses.
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I'm afraid you've got that arseways, Stainesy. Brexit was about doing away with protections to workers' rights (amongst other things). The reason we have worker shortages in certain sectors is because freedom of movement has been removed.
 
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Stroller said:
I'm afraid you've got that arseways, Stainesy. Brexit was about doing away with protections to workers' rights (amongst other things). The reason we have worker shortages in certain sectors is because freedom of movement has been removed.
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Sorry Strolls but it’s you that’s got arseways. The EU and free movement was always about exploitation of workers and to keep wages down…..sad that those on the Liberal Left are too blind to see it.
 
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