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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Frome-Ranger said:
I'll try again.
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I assume he's talking about the Brexit referendum there and not the Scottish Independence referendum. As I said to Strolls, the cross party committee must prove their case. What are they alleging should have been done by government and wasn't? And what is the yardstick by which this alleged governmental failure is measured?
 
BobbyD said:
in other news, tories plan on including the NHS in a U.S. trade agreement. An amendment to keep the NHS free from foreign influence has been voted down
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Voting down the amendment doesn't mean that the NHS would be included in a trade deal - That's a lazy assumption

I predict - and I'm happy to stand by this prediction - that the NHS will continue to be govt funded and run as a public sector operation as now

Some parts of the NHS are already run on a competitive tender basis, and the NHS sources drugs and equipment internationally. This won't change

The US won't be launching a takeover bid for the NHS with Trump as the CEO in waiting

Bits of the media love trying to make a story out of this - pretty pathetic really

As is the panic over chlorinated chicken. I don't care if supermarkets are able to sell it - I simply won't buy it. Much as I refuse to buy from certain clothing chains who don't spend enough time verifying the ethics of their suppliers
 
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StortfordQPR said:
Voting down the amendment doesn't mean that the NHS would be included in a trade deal - That's a lazy assumption

I predict - and I'm happy to stand by this prediction - that the NHS will continue to be govt funded and run as a public sector operation as now

Some parts of the NHS are already run on a competitive tender basis, and the NHS sources drugs and equipment internationally. This won't change

The US won't be launching a takeover bid for the NHS with Trump as the CEO in waiting

Bits of the media love trying to make a story out of this - pretty pathetic really

As is the panic over chlorinated chicken. I don't care if supermarkets are able to sell it - I simply won't buy it. Much as I refuse to buy from certain clothing chains who don't spend enough time verifying the ethics of their suppliers
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Genuine question mate, which clothing brands do you see as ethically acceptable ?
Seems to me none are and all seem to exploit the poor as labour in the third world.
 
Staines R's said:
Genuine question mate, which clothing brands do you see as ethically acceptable ?
Seems to me none are and all seem to exploit the poor as labour in the third world.
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That is a very good question Stainsey

I tend to wear quite a bit of Superdry and Next and cycling brands like Endura and Broken Riders. I know for a fact (through personal connections) that all these brands spend a lot of time and money auditing their supply chains in what is indeed a truly global industry, and one where fast fashion has led to horrendous levels of waste

I always steer clear of Boohoo (several of their suppliers were allegedly at the centre of the latest CV19 outbreak in Leicester) and similar online brands plus most cheap high street retailers . Essentially the cheaper the clothing the more likely (though not exclusively) that it has been made in a factory that not only pays low wages but - and probably even more importantly - has poor health and safety standards. The Rana Plaza was an accident waiting to happen and there are 000s of similar factories around the world including here in the UK

Most consumers frankly don't care. Many say they do but are ultimately seduced by the £10 dress or jeans. Virtually everyone buys more stuff than they really need - me included - but I like to think that I'm a little more careful these days
 
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StortfordQPR said:
That is a very good question Stainsey

I tend to wear quite a bit of Superdry and Next and cycling brands like Endura and Broken Riders. I know for a fact (through personal connections) that all these brands spend a lot of time and money auditing their supply chains in what is indeed a truly global industry, and one where fast fashion has led to horrendous levels of waste

I always steer clear of Boohoo (several of their suppliers were allegedly at the centre of the latest CV19 outbreak in Leicester) and similar online brands plus most cheap high street retailers . Essentially the cheaper the clothing the more likely (though not exclusively) that it has been made in a factory that not only pays low wages but - and probably even more importantly - has poor health and safety standards. The Rana Plaza was an accident waiting to happen and there are 000s of similar factories around the world including here in the UK

Most consumers frankly don't care. Many say they do but are ultimately seduced by the £10 dress or jeans. Virtually everyone buys more stuff than they really need - me included - but I like to think that I'm a little more careful these days
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Never realised Superdry were that hot in the ethical lines.......that’s good to hear.
I like their stuff but it always seems suited to ‘slimmer’ people.....of which I’m not one :)
 
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Staines R's said:
Never realised Superdry were that hot in the ethical lines.......that’s good to hear.
I like their stuff but it always seems suited to ‘slimmer’ people.....of which I’m not one :)
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Their sizing is a bit weird - I've got everything from M to XL!

They are very good at auditing their supply chain....so not necessarily ethical in a green save the planet way
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Nice analogy! We await the government's response. Was the government negligent in failing to investigate possible Russian interference in Brexit? That will be the topic of conversation on this issue now. But the cross-party committee will have to prove its case that there was negligence by omission. It will have to show exactly what the government should have done and failed to do
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I think you know as well as I do that the cross-party committee was not alleging negligence but at best for the government that there was a deliberate closing of eyes ie recklessness. Pity. Possibly it will backfire on them come the next election. I doubt they will be looking forward to that prospect
 
StortfordQPR said:
Their sizing is a bit weird - I've got everything from M to XL!

They are very good at auditing their supply chain....so not necessarily ethical in a green save the planet way
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Sounds to me that the rational explanation for the sizing issue is you start off being M and then they make them tighter around the gut as you get older. perhaps you share Stainesy's life experience of just getting a bit wider each year.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Sounds to me that the rational explanation for the sizing issue is you start off being M and then they make them tighter around the gut as you get older. perhaps you share Stainesy's life experience of just getting a bit wider each year.
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Oddly there is absolutely no consistency from purchase to purchase despite the fact I'm more...er...um...ah....muscular...ish...than I used to be....
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Not mine. It's being reported all over the media. The Russian's did try to influence the Scottish Independence vote apparently, presumably to try to break up the UK
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Quite the opposite apparently - to keep the union intact - this article from six years ago points the finger
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12th January 2014

Cameron's plea to Putin: help me stop Salmond

By David Leask @leaskyHT
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Official Russian news agency Itar-Tass reported that David Cameron's office wants support on the referendum from Putin's government


By David Leask and Paul Hutcheon

DAVID Cameron's Government wants the backing of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the battle against Scottish independence, the former USSR's leading news agency has reported.

Itar-Tass, citing a source in the Conservative Prime Minister's office, said Britain was "extremely interested" in referendum support from Russia, which this year holds the presidency of the influential G8 group of rich industrial nations.

The state-owned agency - acknowledged as the Kremlin's official mouthpiece before and after the end of Communism - said the Cameron aide had warned Scottish independence could "send shockwaves across the whole of Europe".

Its report, which follows claims Cameron and his Spanish counterpart Mariano Rajoy have forged an "anti-separatist pact", sparked criticism last night from Alex Salmond.

The First Minister said: "This report from Russia raises serious questions about the UK Government's underhand tactics. If this is accurate, then Westminster has been caught red-handed trying to stir up hostility to Scotland instead of representing Scotland's interests - it seems the No Campaign's self-named 'Project Fear' has now gone global."


The Scottish Government, as revealed in this newspaper, has already launched its own diplomatic charm offensive, trying to explain its independence project to sceptical governments such as Rajoy's.

For the first time since devolution an Edinburgh administration is pursuing a foreign policy that is at odds with the interests of the British state.

However, some nationalists increasingly suspect that Whitehall is using diplomatic back channels to rubbish independence.

The Tass report, by one of the agency's correspondents, hit the Russian language news wires on Hogmanay.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13140055.camerons-plea-to-putin-help-me-stop-salmond/
 
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A handy list on this thread...

But you lost get over it they need us more than we need them believe in Britain

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