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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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    Votes: 56 47.9%
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No I seriously don’t get your post.......what’s the connection between the two ?

The connection is that we’re all being shafted by our own government worse than any make-believe shafting the EU boogeyman could have had in store for us in the dumbest Express opinion column and almost everyone just shrugs their shoulders.

The thread I posted lists all the awful **** that has gone down here in just a few days and it barely gets a mention close to the front pages.

David Lammy’s speech (always a popular character on here) summarised it very well.
 
The connection is that we’re all being shafted by our own government worse than any make-believe shafting the EU boogeyman could have had in store for us in the dumbest Express opinion column and almost everyone just shrugs their shoulders.

The thread I posted lists all the awful **** that has gone down here in just a few days and it barely gets a mention close to the front pages.

David Lammy’s speech (always a popular character on here) summarised it very well.

Makes more sense now.......that’s for the explanation.

I would point out however, that just ‘cos one organisation (our government) ****s us over massively.....it doesn’t make the other organisation (the EU) any less of a **** for ****ing us over as well.
 
Makes more sense now.......that’s for the explanation.

I would point out however, that just ‘cos one organisation (our government) ****s us over massively.....it doesn’t make the other organisation (the EU) any less of a **** for ****ing us over as well.

Except they aren’t/weren’t to anything like the same extent.
 
Call me old-fashioned but I don’t really care what Hungarian politicians are up to compared to what’s happening here. Whataboutery and all that.

When it’s my taxes that go to the said Hungarian politicians through EU funding then I kinda care.....I’m a bit old fashioned in that way and would rather the money get spent on funding over here for the homeless/poor and needy rather than a new Roller for Comrade Morislov........Whataboutery and all that.
 
When it’s my taxes that go to the said Hungarian politicians through EU funding then I kinda care.....I’m a bit old fashioned in that way and would rather the money get spent on funding over here for the homeless/poor and needy rather than a new Roller for Comrade Morislov........Whataboutery and all that.

Well we’ve got a whole lot less funding for our homeless and poor to look forward to.
 
Im not a mathematician of course......but I’d say overall we put a lot more in than we got out, even if you include the enormous net benefits you mention.
Again that’s just my opinion and I stand to be corrected

I can’t correct you although I’d argue the post doesn’t make sense.

Only the future will prove whether the likes of Michael Gove and Jacob Rees-Mogg really had our best interests at heart.
 
I think you know as well as I do that the cross-party committee was not alleging negligence but at best for the government that there was a deliberate closing of eyes ie recklessness. Pity. Possibly it will backfire on them come the next election. I doubt they will be looking forward to that prospect

Recklessness is more difficult to prove than negligence because, as you say, it suggests intent and mind-set is difficult to establish. But let's see the evidence of recklessness that the cross-party committee put out. As to the next election, maybe you're right, but remember that Labour under Corbyn was the most pro Russian party ever. He even doubted Russia had a hand in the Skripal poisonings
 
Quite the opposite apparently - to keep the union intact - this article from six years ago points the finger
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12th January 2014

Cameron's plea to Putin: help me stop Salmond


By David Leask @leaskyHT
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Official Russian news agency Itar-Tass reported that David Cameron's office wants support on the referendum from Putin's government


By David Leask and Paul Hutcheon

DAVID Cameron's Government wants the backing of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the battle against Scottish independence, the former USSR's leading news agency has reported.

Itar-Tass, citing a source in the Conservative Prime Minister's office, said Britain was "extremely interested" in referendum support from Russia, which this year holds the presidency of the influential G8 group of rich industrial nations.

The state-owned agency - acknowledged as the Kremlin's official mouthpiece before and after the end of Communism - said the Cameron aide had warned Scottish independence could "send shockwaves across the whole of Europe".

Its report, which follows claims Cameron and his Spanish counterpart Mariano Rajoy have forged an "anti-separatist pact", sparked criticism last night from Alex Salmond.

The First Minister said: "This report from Russia raises serious questions about the UK Government's underhand tactics. If this is accurate, then Westminster has been caught red-handed trying to stir up hostility to Scotland instead of representing Scotland's interests - it seems the No Campaign's self-named 'Project Fear' has now gone global."


The Scottish Government, as revealed in this newspaper, has already launched its own diplomatic charm offensive, trying to explain its independence project to sceptical governments such as Rajoy's.

For the first time since devolution an Edinburgh administration is pursuing a foreign policy that is at odds with the interests of the British state.

However, some nationalists increasingly suspect that Whitehall is using diplomatic back channels to rubbish independence.

The Tass report, by one of the agency's correspondents, hit the Russian language news wires on Hogmanay.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13140055.camerons-plea-to-putin-help-me-stop-salmond/

Hmm, maybe. Recent press reports are big on interference but details and which way the interference went are not being disclosed