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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
I didn't say that Brexit was only a right wing belief Staines, I said that it is only a right wing Brexit which is currently on offer. I know that for many the EU. is a neo liberalist club which has effectively banned real socialism to the sidelines - my own dream of a perfect society would not be possible within such a framework. On the left they have seen the enforced privatizations in Greece, the enforced austerity and neo liberal policies, the lionization of the Ukraine and the demonization of anything Russian. The EU is certainly a right wing club - but the UK is even further right, and likely to go further in that direction when freed of those irritating EU laws on work and environmental protection. The Left would be better off staying and fighting together to really take back Europe for it's citizens - in solidarity with their brothers in Germany, France and elsewhere. If I thought for one minute that Britain, outside of the EU., would become a decentralized self sufficient socialist federation which valued the contribution, and needs, of every citizen then I would jump at it - but what is really beckoning is a series of TTIP style arrangements with the likes of the USA and China. In the EU we have a pooled sovereignty which is worth more than what is waiting for us if the likes of Bojo and Trump have their way.

You put into words far better than I ever could, Cologne. Where we differ is that I believe, I truly believe, that once we rid ourselves of the shackles of the EU ( which you describe so beautifully) only then can we really start the struggle.
 
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But isn’t it just simple maths.......more money staying in the country means more money we have to spend on people, thus meaning we don’t need to cut spending on education.
We have not left yet there are promises galore flying around about billions for NHS , billions for the forces, education etc. That has nothing to do with the EU. Apparently we have that money to spend (unless it's more hulk lies) regardless of our membership of the EU
 
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I was really hoping for a list of negative experiences that people suffer on a daily/weekly basis due to us being in the EU. Not out of sarcasm but actually to help my son with a homework he has been set. I've helped him with some positives but truly havent found one negative anywhere for him.
 
I was hoping fo

We have not left yet there are promises galore flying around about billions for NHS , billions for the forces, education etc. That has nothing to do with the EU. Apparently we have that money to spend (unless it's more hulk lies) regardless of our membership of the EU

Once we leave the EU we will DEFINITELY have an extra 9 billion in the kitty.......then it’s up to us, the voters, to put in someone who will spend it wisely.
 
Once we leave the EU we will DEFINITELY have an extra 9 billion in the kitty.......then it’s up to us, the voters, to put in someone who will spend it wisely.

Good luck with that! I wouldn't trust Bojo or Corbyn, Swinson or Sturgeon, Farage or Lucas with the spare change down the back of my sofa let alone let them fritter away an extra £9.Bn on some project that'll probably never see the light of day
 
I’ve given you my positives/reasons Bob........
Appreciate it mate but it's not answering his question set. it's about personal effects of everyday life that people endure as being a member of the EU. I listed some positive things in a previous post that has actually happened to myself or my family due to being in the EU.
 
Appreciate it mate but it's not answering his question set. it's about personal effects of everyday life that people endure as being a member of the EU. I listed some positive things in a previous post that has actually happened to myself or my family due to being in the EU.

If it was my homework, then I would be putting down that things can and do effect us indirectly, though not always directly.

He’ll get an A+ ;)
 
If it was my homework, then I would be putting down that things can and do effect us indirectly, though not always directly.

He’ll get an A+ ;)
I thought it would be easy to be honest but I cant think of one negative thing that affects us (as in my family) due to our EU membership. It's a good job these kids ain't old enough to vote otherwise remain would win by a landslide!
 
Appreciate it mate but it's not answering his question set. it's about personal effects of everyday life that people endure as being a member of the EU. I listed some positive things in a previous post that has actually happened to myself or my family due to being in the EU.

My son was set a similar question last year, I couldn't help him much either.....

Remember though Bob, we couldn't get hold of bendy bananas!
 
Sorry but you're plucking statistics out of a hat to suit your own argument here - according to You Gov. 65% of Labour voters voted to remain, along with 30% of Tories. If you have any evidence to the contrary then please produce it.
Don't know if you meant the 90% of Labour members supporting Remain, but I've seen that a few places But Members not voters .
 
You seem to believe that Brexit is only a right wing belief. As I’ve said many many times, there are many on the Left (mainly, but not all, working class) who believe it is the correct way forward.
Again, as I’ve said before, read the writings of someone like Paul Embery for a far more articulate case for Brexit than I can ever make.
Yes, the many 10% of the Labour membership