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[Staines R's]

He has 5 positives and 0 negatives. Turns out his homework is a piece of piss!

He’s a definite remainer I reckon

 

[bobmid]

He’s a definite remainer I reckon

We cant think of any reason(s) not to be.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Appreciate it mate but it's not answering his question set. it's about personal effects of everyday life that people endure as being a member of the EU. I listed some positive things in a previous post that has actually happened to myself or my family due to being in the EU.

I could give you lots of positives about the shared market but you have experienced them yourself. Add the £'s massive devaluation since before the vote, and therefore the value of £ pension dropping through the floor.
A negative I was told about was a farmers wife in Devon who made the clotted cream, having to stop selling it because she wasn't following the rules she reckoned came with the EU. But another good local lady started up doing the samethe same, and did really well from it, even though she probably spent more time with HSE and paperwork. Whatever, they both made great cream.

 

[bobmid]

I could give you lots of positives about the shared market but you have experienced them yourself. Add the £'s massive devaluation since before the vote, and therefore the value of £ pension dropping through the floor.
A negative I was told about was a farmers wife in Devon who made the clotted cream, having to stop selling it because she wasn't following the rules she reckoned came with the EU. But another good local lady started up doing the samethe same, and did really well from it, even though she probably spent more time with HSE and paperwork. Whatever, they both made great cream.

We dont bother making the clotted cream so cant add that ha!
We cant list a single negative that effects our daily lives as a family from being in the EU. I'm sure there are some, somewhere for people. Asked the neighbours either side and still not a single negative that they experience either. Bizarre

 

[QPR Oslo]

I didn’t mention Labour members. I said many ‘on the Left’.
Dunno how it operates in Norway, but here it’s voters that win elections.

I'm going there tomorrow , I'll ask about for ya.

But party members can impact policy, if they don't have some pigshit leader who doesnt listen to the majority, but just to a few of his mates.

 

[Staines R's]

I'm going there tomorrow , I'll ask about for ya.

But party members can impact policy, if they don't have some pigshit leader who doesnt listen to the majority, but just to a few of his mates.

Let’s get Thornberry in as leader.....that’ll be a vote winner for sure .
She can wear her blue dress.

 

[Staines R's]

I see Labour members have voted to remain neutral.....maybe the membership aren’t as pro remain as many thought.

Wrong decision in my opinion. The party need to make a clear decision one way or other, whether I agree or disagree with that decision.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Let's go back 5 years. Was the country divided like it is now? Were families and friends divided like they are now?
Was being a member state of the EU such a massive problem or even just a small inconvenience to anyone? If so how did it affect you?
Was the pound as low as it was now?
Then what happened, the media and the powers that be spread a hate campaign against being in the EU, the Tories/Lib dems instigated a referendum after ramping up such negative rhetoric. 17.4m people voted to leave, (with a deal or not with a deal, who ****ing knows) based on fabrications of the truth, promises of easy deals, posters of Syrian immigrants and a general lack of information. Here we are now, oh what a ****ing mess. This country will never, ever be the same again. Was it worth it??? Was it ****! Who can we blame for this mess?? Ah yes the EU.

My bets against the pound weren’t delivering anywhere near the returns I’d hoped for.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I see Labour members have voted to remain neutral.....maybe the membership aren’t as pro remain as many thought.

Wrong decision in my opinion. The party need to make a clear decision one way or other, whether I agree or disagree with that decision.

As a frightfully middle class historically non-Labour voter who probably isn’t therefore in the best position to guess, I can’t see many lifelong Labour voters going for Etonian Alexander De Pfeffel. Guess there’s a chance they could vote for Farage’s mob but that’s a big call to make in a GE rather than as a local or Euro election protest vote.

 

[Staines R's]

As a frightfully middle class historically non-Labour voter who probably isn’t therefore in the best position to guess, I can’t see many lifelong Labour voters going for Etonian Alexander De Pfeffel. Guess there’s a chance they could vote for Farage’s mob but that’s a big call to make in a GE rather than as a local or Euro election protest vote.

Genuine question......do you think many might say ‘**** it’ and don’t bother voting at all.

 

[kiwiqpr]

No worries but not asking for ifs or buts mate. Just how has it personally affected people for them to feel so strongly about wanting to leave. Why do you think leaving would put more money in your pocket? People voted for reasons and I'm just trying to understand what drove them. Not what could be different or what money went where etc but what actually personally affects their every day life that will suddenly improve after brexit. No offence intended Staines but your son doesnt get the necessary attention he deserves due to cuts in social welfare and education, not because we are in the EU.

there must be a way to get more money into social welfare education and housing

David Vance‏Verified account@DVATW 9h9 hours ago
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The UK does not have a "housing crisis"
The UK does not have an "education crisis"
The UK does not have a "healthcare crisis"
It DOES have a massive and unsustainable immigration crisis and all the major parties are too frightened to even mention it.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

there must be a way to get more money into social welfare education and housing

David Vance‏Verified account@DVATW 9h9 hours ago
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The UK does not have a "housing crisis"
The UK does not have an "education crisis"
The UK does not have a "healthcare crisis"
It DOES have a massive and unsustainable immigration crisis and all the major parties are too frightened to even mention it.

The only immigration crisis we have is the need for more to alleviate the huge and increasing dependency ratio we’re heading for.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

I'm quite surprised at the lack of response for negative personal experiences considering the passion and determination from people who want to leave.

Sorry, Bob, I’ve been busy most of the day, so you’ve had to wait until now for today’s total bollocks.

Firstly, why does there have to be a negative personal experience behind a desire to leave the EU; can’t a deep-rooted belief that we’d be better off unencumbered by adherence to the rules and regulations of membership of the EU suffice?

If you read earlier total bollocks by me you’ll note my reasons for voting Leave despite being more than prepared to have accepted a remain vote without wetting my pink thong in a sissy tantrum.

I was asked, so I gave my view in the Referendum. I’ve since proposed a number of potential ways in which we could attempt to keep a 52/48 popular happy; the Norway model being my favourite.

I’m a democrat, so firmly believe the outcome of the Referendum should be honoured. But if one goes into bat with the EU saying ‘no deal’ is not an option like May did, then you end up with a ‘deal’ that gets rejected again and again.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Genuine question......do you think many might say ‘**** it’ and don’t bother voting at all.

its what they want

 

[bobmid]

Sorry, Bob, I’ve been busy most of the day, so you’ve had to wait until now for today’s total bollocks.

Firstly, why does there have to be a negative personal experience behind a desire to leave the EU; can’t a deep-rooted belief that we’d be better off unencumbered by adherence to the rules and regulations of membership of the EU suffice?

If you read earlier total bollocks by me you’ll note my reasons for voting Leave despite being more than prepared to have accepted a remain vote without wetting my pink thong in a sissy tantrum.

I was asked, so I gave my view in the Referendum. I’ve since proposed a number of potential ways in which we could attempt to keep a 52/48 popular happy; the Norway model being my favourite.

I’m a democrat, so firmly believe the outcome of the Referendum should be honoured. But if one goes into bat with the EU saying ‘no deal’ is not an option like May did, then you end up with a ‘deal’ that gets rejected again and again.

I never said there had to be a negative personal experience. It was just a question for my lads homework. I could think of a few positives that effect my life but no negatives. It's an intriguing question really

 

[kiwiqpr]

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May 2019: polling ‘expert’ Peter Kellner suggests Labour should oppose Brexit
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Sept 2019: Labour slump even further after taking the advice seriously.

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—————— Ps. Kellner is married to former EU Commission vice president and defence supremo Catherine Ashton.

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[DT’s Socks]

Don’t like Roquefort Pierre, do you by any chance have a nice Camembert !!
It’s not easy to move just like that, we rent privately and there is a severe shortage of housing fit for disabled ie bungalows as my wife now struggles with stairs and landlords don’t like you fitting stair lifts etc.
Not all of us have multiple homes like you old chap.

sorry to learn that Turkish sincere apologies
I only have one home by the way my other half is the landlord type

Getting a picture of why you are a leaver but I very much doubt after we have left things will change... get somewhere warm

 

[kiwiqpr]

steve hawkes‏Verified account@steve_hawkes 10h10 hours ago
Labour - the Party could officially adopt all THREE Brexit positions later on today, a spokeswoman confirms.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

sorry to learn that Turkish sincere apologies
I only have one home by the way my other half is the landlord type

Getting a picture of why you are a leaver but I very much doubt after we have left things will change... get somewhere warm

Accept your apology without hesitation, as I admit I do tend to draw fire sometimes and get excitable however it’s not the main reason I voted leave, it was never about immigration it has always been about being ruled by unelected failed politicians eventually running our country from Brussels, I suppose being born just 17 years after the war and listening to my Grandad who spent five years away from his family fighting to avoid becoming a part of a united Europe under a tyrannical ruler and I guess I recall the arguments regarding the so called referendum about the eec back in the day and it stuck with me.
You sometimes go on about the Anglo Saxon in us being the reason we are like we are,you may be right, but the Anglo Saxon in us, our heritage and ancestry has been fighting to avoid becoming a european nation’s servant or in modern parlance their “bitch” for a thousand years and I don’t think you can change that, I don’t think you can convince people who voted leave that it’s in our best interests to become part of the United States of Europe, we’ve resisted as a nation alone for too long.

 

[QPR Oslo]

I see Labour members have voted to remain neutral.....maybe the membership aren’t as pro remain as many thought.

Wrong decision in my opinion. The party need to make a clear decision one way or other, whether I agree or disagree with that decision.

Is it correct that Unions have 50% of the vote, read that somewhere.