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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Staines R's said:
It’s really strange, to me anyway, Bob. As I pointed out on previous posts, you have the people who ran, or actually run, the ports saying there shouldn’t be any disruption to imports ( Of course it’s important that Margot has her Avacado).....and then you have this paper preparing for Armageddon.
Either this paper is just the government being prepared for any eventually (‘riots outside Waitrose.....we want quinoa !!’)......or said heads of the ports are bullshitting us.

After all, isn’t there a government paper somewhere saying what will happen after a Zombie outbreak......I’m not ****tin’ myself quite yet for that one.
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Staines old kiddy it’s not as easy to suggest Margot has her fruit. The important thing here which you have touched on is the self obsession I keep harping on about.

I witnessed what happened in my old home town when the water went off for two days and it was dreadful ... yes you had Margo’s buying crates of bottled water and Tesco didn’t even bring in any control they were obsessed with cashing in ... after two hours you had people storming houses that weren’t affected and plenty of violence took place

I know water is more important than fruit but it was chaos and the response times of the police and water people was frankly useless all because a hi Mac fractured the towns main water supply on yet another new build!

Greed will become the normal is any circumstance and the UK has not got the mentality or resources to cope with any crisis imo. We are not ready for it son x Simple as that plus just imagine the blame game infecting everyone

I believe you should open your mind as without you have the minerals to do so

It’s not project fear it’s serious stuff
 
Some interesting stuff happening with Boris's talks in Ireland. One market on agriculture on the island, hasn't been knocked down out of hand by the DUP. And Boris may be offering a bridge between NI and Scotland as a sweetener.

The EU will ask for more, and want manufacturing and pharmaceuticals to be included. But this could be the area of breakthrough
 
Steelmonkey said:
That is going to be some feat of engineering! Those are some rough waters between the two countries - I've been on many a ferry crossing to Belfast and Larne and been thrown all over the boat! It will take years to build too
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Done a bit of research. The longest bridge in the world is in China. Lake Pontchartrain Causeway is 102 miles long.

The closest point between Scotland and North Antrim is 12 miles. We should have it done by Christmas!
 
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Staines R's said:
Read it or just seen sound bites on Sky News ?

Any comment on the radio call I put up from the ex-port fella or gonna conveniently ignore what he says.......?
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"If there are issues, they will be on the Calais side of the border...." so there may be long delays getting in to Dover

"Huge queues in Kent for outgoing goods.... " so our perishable exports will be affected

"The first import declaration is due six months after a no-deal...." What happens then?


Reading some of the comments after is like reading this thread!!
 
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bobmid said:
Still really really positive though hey. Cant wait for the best case scenario.
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Apparently the civil servants that prepared Yellowhammer provided for massive tailbacks and delays at Calais - but never spoke to the French to verify.

The mayor of Calais is not expecting any problems at all. Project Fear subsists, I'm afraid.

If it's difficult sourcing blueberries in the supermarkets for a month or two, I'll live with it.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Apparently the civil servants that prepared Yellowhammer provided for massive tailbacks and delays at Calais - but never spoke to the French to verify.

The mayor of Calais is not expecting any problems at all. Project Fear subsists, I'm afraid.

If it's difficult sourcing blueberries in the supermarkets for a month or two, I'll live with it.
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So basically you're saying that the government shouldnt be trusted? Is that right?
 
bobmid said:
So basically you're saying that the government shouldnt be trusted? Is that right?
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It's not government, it's the civil service which is to a very large part, Remain. If they produce a report, they have to justify it, and it's clear on a lot of this stuff, they've just put a finger in the wind rather do proper research.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Done a bit of research. The longest bridge in the world is in China. Lake Pontchartrain Causeway is 102 miles long.

The closest point between Scotland and North Antrim is 12 miles. We should have it done by Christmas!
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Trust me, they ain't gonna build the bridge there.... to get to Campbletown from Glasgow takes about 3 and a half hours on standard A roads (no dual carriageway for well over 100 miles), ****ty windy roads, no overtaking and The Rest And Be Thankful is shut several times a year due to snow/landslides adding another 50 mile diversion on even ****tier roads!

Any bridge would need to be from Stranraer/Cairnryan where the ferries currently run from - that's a distance of about 30 miles. It took 5 years to build the new bridge across the Forth of Firth!
 
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Steelmonkey said:
"If there are issues, they will be on the Calais side of the border...." so there may be long delays getting in to Dover

"Huge queues in Kent for outgoing goods.... " so our perishable exports will be affected

"The first import declaration is due six months after a no-deal...." What happens then?


Reading some of the comments after is like reading this thread!!
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But as I pointed out a few weeks ago mate, the current head of Calais port has said the reports of delays at their end are ‘Le Bullshit’......I mean why should we believe him, he only runs the place.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Trust me, they ain't gonna build the bridge there.... to get to Campbletown from Glasgow takes about 3 and a half hours on standard A roads (no dual carriageway for well over 100 miles), ****ty windy roads, no overtaking and The Rest And Be Thankful is shut several times a year due to snow/landslides adding another 50 mile diversion on even ****tier roads!

Any bridge would need to be from Stranraer/Cairnryan where the ferries currently run from - that's a distance of about 30 miles. It took 5 years to build the new bridge across the Forth of Firth!
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You know the area, Steel, and have superior knowledge. It would obviously be a major project, and have major significance politically, commercially, socially indeed any other way. But even if it took 15/20 years, if it's the answer on Brexit and confers future benefits, it may be worth the money. And it sound as though it's technically feasible.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
That is going to be some feat of engineering! Those are some rough waters between the two countries - I've been on many a ferry crossing to Belfast and Larne and been thrown all over the boat! It will take years to build too
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I agree I have a mate who is a civil engineer and worked on the Dublin tunnel... a bridge has been looked at for decades and he thinks it’s impossible exactly because of the sea bed depths and currents. I think at one point it’s over 100m or more? There are islands below the sea at 40m but there one point where it would cause massive problems

It would take 25 years of underwater preparations even if it was feasible I was told a couple of years back. Small subject of the cost also which would make HS2 look like pocket money (HS2: the current laughing stock of the world)

Who would build it? The UK certainly won’t but they may design it. Norman is knocking on a bit and Gilbert is long gone.

It looks to me a massive project
The French would knock it out in 5 years I expect.
 
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DT’s Socks said:
I agree I have a mate who is a civil engineer and worked on the Dublin tunnel... a bridge has been looked at for decades and he thinks it’s impossible exactly because of the sea bed depths and currents

It would take 25 years of underwater preparations even if it was feasible I was told a couple of years back. Small subject of the cost also which would make HS2 look like pocket money (HS2: the current laughing stock of the world)

Who would build it? The UK certainly won’t but they may design it. Norman is knocking on a bit and Gilbert is long gone.

It looks to me a massive project
The French would knock it out in 5 years I expect.
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Good, open it up to tender for the French to bid. That'll oil the Brexit negotiations
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
It's not government, it's the civil service which is to a very large part, Remain. If they produce a report, they have to justify it, and it's clear on a lot of this stuff, they've just put a finger in the wind rather do proper research.
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Tell me more me more about the research or lack of it mate I'm intrigued. I suppose some people believe stuff and some people dont. This report, the 350m bus advert for the NHS. Surely somewhere there is a report about the benefits of leaving the EU. That should be the easiest report to write. Unless Mogg was correct in his prediction that we wont see any for nearly half a century.
 
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bobmid said:
Tell me more me more about the research or lack of it mate I'm intrigued.
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I've given you the example of not bothering to liaise with the French. That blows a hole in their report.

When you prepare a report like this, it's usual to prepare it on a "likely" basis and a "worse case" basis. The civil servants don't seem interested in what's likely because it doesn't fit in with their agenda. It's Cameron and Osborne all over again, and people's eyes glaze over
 
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