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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Goldhawk-Road said:
Except that a lot of Labour voters signed up for the Tory EU referendum and 52% on a very high turnout showed there was a desire to have the referendum and to leave. People have been incredibly politically engaged for the last 3 years, and all this will be lost if Brexit is not delivered (and that means out of the CU and SM, as promised by all the leading Leave and Remain politicians before the vote)
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How many times, Goldie? For ****'s sake!
 
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sb_73 said:
Col, I honestly wasn’t referencing you at all in this comment. It’s not really about posts on here at all, more on the politicians who have started whining on and on about their manifestos, To excuse their behaviour, safe in the knowledge that they are mainly a device to win votes which can then be quietly ignored. And in the circumstances of a hung parliament they really are irrelevant.

Why this government thought that, despite not being able to get its grammar school policy through, somehow it would be fine for Brexit, is beyond me. They are idiots. They had the opportunity to ditch or amend the self contradictory ‘red lines’ with justification because of parliamentary maths, but soldiered on regardless.

They way Parliamentary democracy in this country works is founded on self interested political parties. If you are happy with the way the parliamentary system works by extension don’t you also accept party political gaming?
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That's a bit arseways. I'm happy with the way Parliament has acted against party political gaming. The governing party can't govern, so Parliament has rightly taken a hand.
 
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DT’s Socks said:
Well you can try Col
I do not understand your position at all re what you think the people can do. You seem to forget that there are 16m people that may want them in re the Brexit issue

About time imo that Brexiteers finally realised exactly what the true opposition to them is and the numbers involved here . This blame culture of the elite is complete rubbish and just a tone of what is now ... the blue sheep haven’t done much before now about anything

If the elite are people and businesses that know and knew the impacts of Brexit when it was announced then I go with them every single time

After all look exactly what has happened

Remainer’s position hasn’t changed one bit
Brexiteers cannot day that in any shape or form

Over 6m people voted as a protest for Brexit if not more and here we are. I blame Brexiteers if any blame was at question
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And I blame remainers for not understanding they lost, and for hamstringing the Leave campaign at every turn to protect their vested Euro interests and Their stupid reckless attempts to overthrow the will of the people and for being selfish ignorant scaremongering cry babies, for being Euro sheeples.
 
Turkish" Premier" Hoops said:
And I blame remainers for not understanding they lost, and for hamstringing the Leave campaign at every turn to protect their vested Euro interests and Their stupid reckless attempts to overthrow the will of the people and for being selfish ignorant scaremongering cry babies, for being Euro sheeples.
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I totally respected the result ... how can anyone not ignore the maths. My Euro interests have absolutely no bearing on my opinion as I am in the French system anyway so don’t get your point if directed to me? I do believe still that without a plan Brexiteers voted on a old fashioned belief about the U.K. I voted remain for the next generations and still believe that my fellow nationals will be far better off remaining within the system.

I lost faith in the U.K. governance years ago and in some ways current events have reinforced my opinion. Since Brexit we have had a big spectrum of divide within the Brexit voters ... what sort of Brexit people want from no dealers to soft brexiteers etc... blaming anyone else for the UKs decline whereas imo they should be looking at themselves at the decline of the culture in the U.K.

As for project fear etc I do have first hand experience of businesses plans to relocate and these have come true and may do in the future ... they are prepared ... no scaremongering just factual. I don’t see that as ignorance
 
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I read somewhere that around 850k eligible voters have passed since June 2016 and approx 1.8 million young people have reached voting age and beyond. Given the abhorrent mess the government have made of things and the above significant change in the electorate I think it really does make going back to the public a must.
 
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Frome-Ranger said:
I read somewhere that around 850k eligible voters have passed since June 2016 and approx 1.8 million young people have reached voting age and beyond. Given the abhorrent mess the government have made of things and the above significant change in the electorate I think it really does make going back to the public a must.
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What an absolute joke that is.
Tell you what, let's re-do every election we ever have on the basis that older people will have died off.

Ridiculous.
 
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