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Totally agree - and would also add that some Remainers in Westminster don't represent me or my views. I know you didn't say that though!
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I getting bored by people referring to ‘manifesto pledges’ as if they are commandments from God. What government has ever fulfilled all or even most of its manifesto pledges? Off the top of my head dementia tax (dumped before the election but still in the manifesto), grammar schools and a load of other stuff not done by this government. They can blame the fact that it’s a hung parliament, but that is just a valid reason for another election, on the grounds that they can’t govern and deliver their promises properly.
May still considering bringing back her deal again. This is insanity.
Forgive me for boring you, but I pointed out manifestos purely to highlight the shear hypocrisy of these self serving ****wits.
Col, I honestly wasn’t referencing you at all in this comment. It’s not really about posts on here at all, more on the politicians who have started whining on and on about their manifestos, To excuse their behaviour, safe in the knowledge that they are mainly a device to win votes which can then be quietly ignored. And in the circumstances of a hung parliament they really are irrelevant.
Why this government thought that, despite not being able to get its grammar school policy through, somehow it would be fine for Brexit, is beyond me. They are idiots. They had the opportunity to ditch or amend the self contradictory ‘red lines’ with justification because of parliamentary maths, but soldiered on regardless.
They way Parliamentary democracy in this country works is founded on self interested political parties. If you are happy with the way the parliamentary system works by extension don’t you also accept party political gaming?
Except that a lot of Labour voters signed up for the Tory EU referendum and 52% on a very high turnout showed there was a desire to have the referendum and to leave. People have been incredibly politically engaged for the last 3 years, and all this will be lost if Brexit is not delivered (and that means out of the CU and SM, as promised by all the leading Leave and Remain politicians before the vote)
I think so. I have moved quite a bit as the full extent of this farce has become evident. And probably will again.
Grieve is half way gone already.
Is the plan to just plant any old wet lettuce into safe seats to buy their vote on all things Brexit? Seems a dangerous precedent but good luck with it.
Just walked the dog, UKIP canvassers everywhere. Bizarre, in firmly Remain voting Leamington Spa, which really should have a London post code. Are there local elections soon as well?
There's a need to replace those who blatantly move against main manifesto promises and try to sabotage government policy on issues of national importance. He needs to find another home imo. Perhaps he can become a Chuk.
Is there a point to UKIP now we have the Farage party? Just merge for a supergammon option. That’ll show Labour.
Well you can try Col
I do not understand your position at all re what you think the people can do. You seem to forget that there are 16m people that may want them in re the Brexit issue
About time imo that Brexiteers finally realised exactly what the true opposition to them is and the numbers involved here . This blame culture of the elite is complete rubbish and just a tone of what is now ... the blue sheep haven’t done much before now about anything
If the elite are people and businesses that know and knew the impacts of Brexit when it was announced then I go with them every single time
After all look exactly what has happened
Remainer’s position hasn’t changed one bit
Brexiteers cannot day that in any shape or form
Over 6m people voted as a protest for Brexit if not more and here we are. I blame Brexiteers if any blame was at question
I think you're talking rubbish Paul, so we'll agree to differ eh?
No problem Col
Evidence of a true divide
If there is a general election then any idea who to vote for ? sorry mate England is broken ... only been saying it for 7 years
Absolutely no idea who I would vote for.
I, personally wouldn't vote for an extreme left or right party, but that is exactly what many people will do imo.
It would be a record low turn out too I reckon, as people will think that their vote will be ignored.
Democracy is on its way to being broken imo, but not the Country.
This great Nation will always endure imo, which is where we disagree fully.
I think we will continue in the controlled decline myself