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[ELLERS]

Communism doesn't work. Nor does Socialism, because both concentrate all the power in central government, and that power is then abused by the politicians and their mates.

exactly Goldie.
Tory HQ must be licking their lips at the moment with the Labour party disintegrating. Jezza is 'disappointed'. He will replace them with more loony lefties.

 

[Staines R's]

Jezza is 'disappointed'. He will replace them with more lefties.

More good news then

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Much better to have an Anarchist system where communities can be free thinking, self governing and have no central government

I agree with you about communities being largely self governing, Stainsey. The opposite in fact of sending increasingly large amounts of power to fat cat politicians in Brussels

 

[Staines R's]

I agree with you about communities being largely self governing, Stainsey. The opposite in fact of sending increasingly large amounts of power to fat cat politicians in Brussels

Totally agree.

 

[danishqp]

Communism doesn't work. Nor does Socialism, because both concentrate all the power in central government, and that power is then abused by the politicians and their mates.

Socialism doesn't work?
I'd hazard a guess that quite a few Scandinavians are more than happy with it - in fact, they are reknowned as the happiest places in the world.
What does it take?
Politicians to understand that absolute power is nothing to be craved.
Those in the "interim modified negligable" power to act in the greater good for all, thinking TCO at all times.
People to be OK with paying taxes in the knowledge that you get something real and tangible in return, such as first class health and education systems - free for all.
Have a genuine care for each other and wanting to raise the bar for all rather than, What's in it for me?

It's opinions like these that make us sheep. Red, Blue, Yellow - we're all sheep.
The ****s are on all sides -
Capitalists (there are many good people and there are ****s)
Socialists (there are many good people and there are ****s)

Can the World take on Socialism? - Of course it ****ing cant, because we love our finer things and we are inherently selfish ****s (sheep)
What do Americans pay in tax?
Average 17% on an average income of 31K USD
+ Heath insurance of 330 USD per person per month per person in family
+ Schooling costs for higher education/nursery care - conservative 10K per year on average up to 22 (if lucky enough to go to a low ranking uni)
+ Minimal holidays

They get cheap petrol, and cheap processed **** to eat, sure. Do you think the average American would pay perhaps 13% more on their salary to get just these 3 things?
And for your dilitation, my eldest is at Uni here - a fantastic one - and gets ****ing paid for the privilidge, why? Because the country wants to make sure these young people make the most of the wisdom being imparted.
If the Americans knew how to work out the TCO, there would really be blood on the streets.

That ****ing Socialism heh - ****ing ****!!

Signed
A Champagne Taxi Count paying 60% on his blagged salary and loving it.

TCO = Total Cost of Ownership. I'm only good at one thing and that is it, luckily it is a gift that I can use in absolutely every single walk of life.
Goldie, read your post back to yourself, do you honestly believe that Capitalism hasn't got a centralised nucleus?

 

[ELLERS]

So Jezza has mobilised by getting the Unions and Labour first to condemn the 'splitters'. And saying how could a true labour voter go against a labour candidate? I also hear that JK Rowling maybe financing them. She will need all magic she can conjure up to get them to win anything.
I was told on here recently when discussing the losers vote that "it ain't over yet'? I think after today it's even further away.... maybe Mars is nearer.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Socialism doesn't work?
I'd hazard a guess that quite a few Scandinavians are more than happy with it - in fact, they are reknowned as the happiest places in the world.
What does it take?
Politicians to understand that absolute power is nothing to be craved.
Those in the "interim modified negligable" power to act in the greater good for all, thinking TCO at all times.
People to be OK with paying taxes in the knowledge that you get something real and tangible in return, such as first class health and education systems - free for all.
Have a genuine care for each other and wanting to raise the bar for all rather than, What's in it for me?

It's opinions like these that make us sheep. Red, Blue, Yellow - we're all sheep.
The ****s are on all sides -
Capitalists (there are many good people and there are ****s)
Socialists (there are many good people and there are ****s)

Can the World take on Socialism? - Of course it ****ing cant, because we love our finer things and we are inherently selfish ****s (sheep)
What do Americans pay in tax?
Average 17% on an average income of 31K USD
+ Heath insurance of 330 USD per person per month per person in family
+ Schooling costs for higher education/nursery care - conservative 10K per year on average up to 22 (if lucky enough to go to a low ranking uni)
+ Minimal holidays

They get cheap petrol, and cheap processed **** to eat, sure. Do you think the average American would pay perhaps 13% more on their salary to get just these 3 things?
And for your dilitation, my eldest is at Uni here - a fantastic one - and gets ****ing paid for the privilidge, why? Because the country wants to make sure these young people make the most of the wisdom being imparted.
If the Americans knew how to work out the TCO, there would really be blood on the streets.

That ****ing Socialism heh - ****ing ****!!

Signed
A Champagne Taxi Count paying 60% on his blagged salary and loving it.

TCO = Total Cost of Ownership. I'm only good at one thing and that is it, luckily it is a gift that I can use in absolutely every single walk of life.
Goldie, read your post back to yourself, do you honestly believe that Capitalism hasn't got a centralised nucleus?

Delighted if you can prove me wrong, Danish, but I've never seen the Scandanavian countries as socialist. They are successful countries that follow a capitalist model, mitigated by a well oiled welfare state, free health and education etc and operating labour unions and with good relations between employees and employers. So not so unlike the UK, but with more public sector employees. A happy life style but Scandanavians that want to be world beating entrepreneurs would probably head for the US.

 

[danishqp]

So Jezza has mobilised by getting the Unions and Labour first to condemn the 'splitters'. And saying how could a true labour voter go against a labour candidate? I also hear that JK Rowling maybe financing them. She will need all magic she can conjure up to get them to win anything.
I was told on here recently when discussing the losers vote that "it ain't over yet'? I think after today it's even further away.... maybe Mars is nearer.

Here's the best thing -
The EU will have to modernise after Brexit
The antiquated 2 party system in the UK is about to collapse
Tory and Labour Counts are gonna get found out
Welcome to Coalition Concensus politics - where decisions can be made based on the TCO and well being of the vast majority of people.
Extremists everywhere 8both sides) should be clucking - Christmas is coming you turkeys.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

So Jezza has mobilised by getting the Unions and Labour first to condemn the 'splitters'. And saying how could a true labour voter go against a labour candidate? I also hear that JK Rowling maybe financing them. She will need all magic she can conjure up to get them to win anything.
I was told on here recently when discussing the losers vote that "it ain't over yet'? I think after today it's even further away.... maybe Mars is nearer.

The thought is that the Labour is fast becoming a Communist party. McDonell is a self-confessed Marxist. Andrew Murray, one of the Labour leader’s advisers, was until recently a Communist party member. Seumas Milne, communications director, is also close to the Communist party. The difficulty for Corbyn is that the British people tend not to vote in large numbers for extremist parties, either left or right

 

[ELLERS]

Here's the best thing -
The EU will have to modernise after Brexit
The antiquated 2 party system in the UK is about to collapse
Tory and Labour Counts are gonna get found out
Welcome to Coalition Concensus politics - where decisions can be made based on the TCO and well being of the vast majority of people.
Extremists everywhere 8both sides) should be clucking - Christmas is coming you turkeys.

I not frightened of coalition Danish. I would welcome cross party consensus. It works in your art of the world.
But agree, the EU has to modernise. Brexit didn't happen because of UKIP/Cameron, it happened because of the EU. Said all along they cannot adapt and it will be their downfall. We have too many here that are blinded by Brexit and how the EU works. They need to read up on the treatment of Greece and realise what they are about.

 

[ELLERS]

What I want to know is when the by-election is?

 

[ELLERS]

The thought is that the Labour is fast becoming a Communist party. McDonell is a self-confessed Marxist. Andrew Murray, one of the Labour leader’s advisers, was until recently a Communist party member. Seumas Milne, communications director, is also close to the Communist party. The difficulty for Corbyn is that the British people tend not to vote in large numbers for extremist parties, either left or right

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[danishqp]

Delighted if you can prove me wrong, Danish, but I've never seen the Scandanavian countries as socialist. They are successful countries that follow a capitalist model, mitigated by a well oiled welfare state, free health and education etc and operating labour unions and with good relations between employees and employers. So not so unlike the UK, but with more public sector employees. A happy life style but Scandanavians that want to be world beating entrepreneurs would probably head for the US.

So because Socialism works you call it a Capitalist model - interesting.
Have just shouted out in the office what they think the country is - (they think I'm mad by the way) - everyone thought that the country was 50/50.
When questioned it was because they equated socialism with a party called Endhislisten (a 7% vote at last election and a version of Momentum).
I asked them what they thought the UK was and all answered Capitalist - without a doubt.

Danish entrepeneurs are aplenty - they all get a decent education and many do try their luck abroad, succesfully.
And then all run back for the social welfare and well being as soon as they get children.

I like your view of Capitalism, seems very centrist. Free health, free top quality education, labour unions with good relations between employees and employers.
A happy life style - sounds really good.

 

[ELLERS]

I'm waiting to hear from the Labour voters on here and what they think? You watch the Tories stick together now.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I'm waiting to hear from the Labour voters on here and what they think? You watch the Tories stick together now.

The risk for the Tories is the current moves by grassroots to deselect disgruntled Remainers like Soubry and Grieve. It may leave those MP's with nowhere to go but out to a Centrist Party. The Tory party would then have to wait for the next bye election to win back the seat.

 

[ELLERS]

The risk for the Tories is the current moves by grassroots to deselect disgruntled Remainers like Soubry and Grieve. It may leave those MP's with nowhere to go but out to a Centrist Party. The Tory party would then have to wait for the next bye election to win back the seat.

Do you think Soubry and Grieve would get re-elected as independents? I think they will be gone at next election. I don't think the Tory voters will forgive them.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Do you think Soubry and Grieve would get re-elected as independents? I think they will be gone at next election. I don't think the Tory voters won't forgive them.

Agree, and at some stage, they will start to realise that. I've noticed Nicky Morgan has seen which way the wind is blowing recently, and has come on board the Leave policy

 

[danishqp]

The risk for the Tories is the current moves by grassroots to deselect disgruntled Remainers like Soubry and Grieve. It may leave those MP's with nowhere to go but out to a Centrist Party. The Tory party would then have to wait for the next bye election to win back the seat.

If that happens we'd need to pay the Argies to invade Las Malvinas again.
Perhaps we can get a few Marbella "expats" to go Hell for leather in Gibraltar creating the need to cease relations with the Dagos?
Extremists from both side are exactly the same - they end up meeting up with each other.
Change is a coming - not just for the EU - it was honestly what I wished for in my wildest dreams.

It wont happen of course, they'll be some few decentralised bastards that need the staus quo to continue in order to fill their trough.

 

[sb_73]

Mate, I'm going to tell a story here that is way too close to home.
Was once chastised by my dear father for calling a relative (husband of a cousin) the worst thieving bastard in the world - at the Christmas table in mid 90s no less.
He was a prime instigator of Credit Default Swaps - I've always been a simple man and believe that generally the story can be found in the title.
What positive word could be found in Credit Default Swaps? - Didn't have a clue what they were then but did know that nothing positive could come out of 3 negatives. We all know what happened in 2008, however, the worst part of this is after all the **** happened, after all the money pumped in to these sheisters, there is still an official request (can be found online) to the ****er from Bernanke, Mervyn King and Barrosso begging the **** to stop the trade of the ****ing ****e in his position as Head of ALL the ****ers!!!

Stan talks about morals, if we want morals we are going to need an almighty bang that changes everything once and for all.
Whilst we are still happy at looking on from the sidelines in relative luxury and worried about the value of our pensions and how can I get my Brunello and aged New York Strip a little cheaper - what's going to change?
I was once told by Maersk Mckinney Møller that there was a price to pay for being Danish - he was a tyrant of a man up to his 80s but had the strongest of values nonetheless. He wanted to make sure that I understood TCO and TVO and worked hard to keep things as Danish as possible within the Global conglomorate. He didn't want to overpay the Tax thing, but it was not the driver.
The ****er died about 6 years ago at 99 and it took the remaining ****ers just that time to ruin the company, chasing ****ing false dreams.

My point to all this Stroller? - Left of politics, Right of politics - It doesn't ****ing matter, we're currently licked.
We can blame it on politicians, World organisations, Govts, Behemoths like Facebook, Amazon etc.

But it's us. And the problem is that when we do have a protest vote ala Brexit, Arab Spring, Trump, Spain, Greece etc. There is always someone on the make out of the misery to **** it all up and put us back in to place.
Thankfully, there are good people out there but that just aint enough, take me, I can feel terribly about this but in all honest I'm a ****ing Champagne Socialist - My nickname is even Champagne Taxi T... for **** sake - I do nada :-(

I feel you pain mate - I feel your pain.
DT is right and he's wrong - we're all fucikng sheep, different colours and shades, but we're all ****ing sheep, which is probably the most important part rather than the colour, wouldn't you say!!!!

Great post, I’m the same as you mate, talk a good story but........

Point of clarification though. I don’t think this has anything to do with ‘morals’, which are just shifting social norms. It’s about personal integrity, and what’s left of the social contract.

Time for breakfast and a wander in to head office of the multinational evil drug peddlers.....glasshouses etc

 

[ELLERS]

Agree, and at some stage, they will start to realise that. I've noticed Nicky Morgan has seen which way the wind is blowing recently, and has come on board the Leave policy

I read a depressing article today saying that May is being sneeky and will put us into a CU and that Hammond has been telling big business not to worry as they will get a CU.