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Bob, we pay circa £8 billion per annum to the EU. Tusk is in a small cabal of incredibly powerful men in the EU. He has influence over how much we pay and what it is spent on. Huge amounts have been paid on luxurious buildings on the Continent. That's largely our money, since we are the biggest payer after Germany. Huge amounts have been paid to Eastern Europe to enhance state facilities. That's our money in part. Now huge amounts are being paid to Greece Italy and Spain. Tusk has huge influence on these policy decisions.
This is taken from the "14 most powerful EU budget players" I posted to Bobby:
10. Donald Tusk
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Role: European Council president
Affiliation: European People's Party
Nationality: Polish
Donald Tusk has often performed the task of bridging east and west and north and south in the European Council. Some efforts (the Greek bailouts) have been more successful than others (the EU’s migration quota policy). Tusk will have to work his magic again, while having skin in the budget game. The former Polish prime minister may not be running for a third term as European Council president, but he could be angling for another run at high office back home. If he allows himself to be portrayed as cutting funds for Poland, he will hand his domestic political foes a
gift. On the other hand, there’s not a lot of spare cash in the EU bank thanks to Brexit: Something’s got to give
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What is it you want me to answer?
PS No need to write an essay. If you could keep it brief, twitter style, it would be appreciated
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Corbyn does have influence over us, as leader of the opposition. He has influence over Labour policy decisions.
As I've said to Bob, Tusk is one of the most powerful and influential politicians in Europe. The difference with Corbyn is that we get to vote for or against Corbyn. Tusk is appointed
Have a look at this:
https://www.politico.eu/article/the...oposal-oettinger-juncker-european-commission/
My point was that tusk will still be controlling us as its pretty much everyone in the world by your definition
.I think it's just something we should let slide as i don't think it really adds to this brexit debate....
You're right, Bobby. Until we enter a trade deal, he will. That's part of leaving.
No, right again, he doesn't have the power that Hitler had, but that's not entirely surprising seeing as Hitler was a dictator.
I am not saying Tusk is a dictator. Just one of a highly influential cabal in the EU. He has power and influence over our lives, indirect and diluted, but it's there nonetheless
Interesting move by Corbyn yesterday, offering to back May's deal if she commits to, amongst other things, a permanent Customs Union. If she agreed, this would get a majority in Parliament and we could all move on. But she won't of course, because the Tory party is more important to her than the country.
Which in fact reflects what is happening in Parliament and in the media gernerally. A lot of stuff is getting ignored. All the more reason not to delay Brexit but get it done in March so we can move on
No, the referendum result is important to her. Corbyn has proved to everyone bar you Stroller that he is a muppet who doesn't have a clue what to do. A customs union will stop us making deals across the world. You heard what they have been saying that 90% of world growth (in the next 10 years) will not be in the EU.... so why be chained to it?
...and because we wouldn't be able to strike our own trade deals, which was one of the benefits of Brexit
Do you really think we can strike better trade deals on our own than we could in conjunction with the EU?
I do, and we can tailor them to our needs. The strong evidence coming out is that bilateral agreements are preferential because they are less cumbersome.
Deals can be made, and changes made to them going forward, nimbly, as opposed to a deal with the EU which is like trying to stop an oil tanker because you have to please 27 separate countries.
Do you mean that the 27 all get a say? I thought we were all dictated to by the 'unelected bureaucrats'?
How long do you think it will take to re-negotiate the 50 or 60 deals that we currently have via the EU?
yes and we will. TBH Stroller I don't think many on the Brexit side think that the deals with the EU are all doom and Gloom. We just want to go out and make new deals with the rest of the World. We will still have deals with the EU as it works well both ways. The Euro area won't be the place of growth in the future.
They are negotiated by unelected bureaucrats but all member states will have their say, depending on their commercial interests
Deals are being put in place now. Quite a few countries are holding off at present, to see what kind of Brexit is finalised (they don't want to waste their time, if the UK is prevented from dealing with them due to us staying in the EU's custom's union.). For the others, I can't give you a time scale but when any country comes out of an organisation like the EU, there will be some disruption due to transition.
Have a read of this:
A no-deal Brexit won’t result in a siege. The EU will be more clinical than that
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...l-brexit-medieval-siege-eu-britain-industries
I know this is just a remainer paper article but look how he identifies how nasty the EU can be? Only thing he doesn't mention in that is if we leave without a deal, the EU will collapse, so they won't have time to try and dismantle us.
A no-deal Brexit won’t result in a siege. The EU will be more clinical than that
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...l-brexit-medieval-siege-eu-britain-industries
I know this is just a remainer paper article but look how he identifies how nasty the EU can be? Only thing he doesn't mention in that is if we leave without a deal, the EU will collapse, so they won't have time to try and dismantle us.
I found it funny yesterday when someone cant answer a simple question and then today asks why another poster cant answer a simple question. I will leave it there ellers. You just didn't understand what you were voting for. No shame in that fella. Keep your chin upI thought it was funny yesterday when someone couldn't work out how lightbulbs influenced them?
Some disruption, indeed.
We are going to leave on 29th March with no deal in place with the EU, we will lose the 50 or 60 trade deals that we currently have with third-party nations via the EU, and we will become just about the only nation in the world that trades wholly on WTO terms (if they let us, that is). But this is all good because we will be free to make our own deals. Just as well our negotiators are as skilled and nimble as they have recently proved themselves to be.
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