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Once again, the fate of EU–UK relations, the prosperity of businesses & citizens' rights are consumed by an internal Conservative party catfight over Europe. I hope that, whatever happens, at least the vote will make clear that a disastrous no–deal is off the table. #Brexit
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Once again, the fate of EU–UK relations, the prosperity of businesses & citizens' rights are consumed by an internal Conservative party catfight over Europe. I hope that, whatever happens, at least the vote will make clear that a disastrous no–deal is off the table. #Brexit
- i can't say i know enough about them but if the state ownerships not huge, i'm presuming that there is some pretty heavy regulations which restricts their pricing (well to what normal people can pay) so it might as well be state owned.
- you don't need great employment law if the culture if the people is good. Likewise you don't need a minimum wage when their benefits are so high.
Not sure i would want the UK to go that way as i'm not sure people would want to go into work with such high benefits. I do think we need to reduce what is going on with the rich poor divide though as the differences in wealth is pretty disgusting
we'll have to see... if he's really that bad then we can always vote him out. Thats the beauty of democracy.
no shortage of cash down the back of the eu sofa
EU to finance the construction of a HSL in Turkey
July 23, 2018
In this respect, the first tender will be organized in September. The future high-speed line, Halkalı-Kapıkule, will facilitate the connection of the Turkish railway network with the European railway network.
The Halkalı-Kapıkule line will have a length of 230 kilometers and the tender was estimated at around TRY 3.2 billion(EUR 570 million). The authorities in Turkey estimate that the line could be ready in 2022.
Therefore, the Turkish side of the new Iron Silk Road will be connected directly to the European rail network.
„The European Union has continued to allocate funds to Turkey in the current 2014-2020 funding program, thus the Ministry of Transport has been allocated EUR 372 million. After several analyses, the Halkalı-Kapıkule line was chosen as a priority project and beneficiary of these funds. It was also decided that the line would be built for a 200 km/h speed,” Minister Cahit Turhan explained.
In addition, it was decided that the new line will be built in two stages, the first being the Halkalı-Çerkezköy section, for which the financing will be provided by the Turkish State Railways (TCDD). The second stage concerns the Çerkezköy-Kapıkule section, for which funding will be provided by the European Union.
Turkey’s Transport Minister added that for the second section the pre-tender procedures have already been launched and a number of consultancy proposals have been received. Thus, in September 2018, a first tender could be launched.
„We plan to sign the contract by the end of 2018, and we will start construction works at the beginning of 2019,” Minister Turhan pointed out.
EU to finance the construction of a HSL in Turkey
July 23, 2018
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Turkish Transport Minister Cahit Turhan announced plans to build a new high-speed rail link between Halkalı, Istanbul, Kapıkule (Edirne – Turkey’s border with Bulgaria). Minister Turhan said that the existing line will be used for freight transport and that „the construction of the new railway line will be funded by the European Union”.In this respect, the first tender will be organized in September. The future high-speed line, Halkalı-Kapıkule, will facilitate the connection of the Turkish railway network with the European railway network.
The Halkalı-Kapıkule line will have a length of 230 kilometers and the tender was estimated at around TRY 3.2 billion(EUR 570 million). The authorities in Turkey estimate that the line could be ready in 2022.
Therefore, the Turkish side of the new Iron Silk Road will be connected directly to the European rail network.
„The European Union has continued to allocate funds to Turkey in the current 2014-2020 funding program, thus the Ministry of Transport has been allocated EUR 372 million. After several analyses, the Halkalı-Kapıkule line was chosen as a priority project and beneficiary of these funds. It was also decided that the line would be built for a 200 km/h speed,” Minister Cahit Turhan explained.
In addition, it was decided that the new line will be built in two stages, the first being the Halkalı-Çerkezköy section, for which the financing will be provided by the Turkish State Railways (TCDD). The second stage concerns the Çerkezköy-Kapıkule section, for which funding will be provided by the European Union.
Turkey’s Transport Minister added that for the second section the pre-tender procedures have already been launched and a number of consultancy proposals have been received. Thus, in September 2018, a first tender could be launched.
„We plan to sign the contract by the end of 2018, and we will start construction works at the beginning of 2019,” Minister Turhan pointed out.
Canada does have minimum wages defined by the individual provinces. The lowest one, Nova Scotia is $11.00/hr (£6.51) and the highest is Alberta at $15.00/hr (£8.88). Any discussion though should include references to cost of housing and cost of living in those places
French Generals Accuse Macron of “Treason” Over UN Migration Pact
Open letter says French citizens have another reason to “revolt”
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - December 13, 2018
A group of French military generals have written an open letter to Emmanuel Macron accusing the French President of committing “treason” by signing the UN migration pact.
The pact, which was signed by 164 nations on Monday, including France, is not legally binding but greases the skids for unlimited migration to be treated as a human right and criticism of mass migration to be treated as hate speech.
A letter written by General Antoine Martinez and signed by ten other generals, an admiral and a colonel, as well as former French Minister of Defense Charles Millon, warns Macron that the move strips France of more sovereignty and provides an additional reason for “an already battered people” to “revolt”.
The letter accuses Macron of being “guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation” for signing the pact without putting it to the people.
“The French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic,” states the letter, adding that mass immigration is erasing France’s “civilizational landmarks”.
According to British MEP Janice Atkinson, the UN pact would lead to Europe being flooded with 59 million new migrants within the next 6 years.
Warning that the plan would lead to European countries having their “culture and identity crushed,” Atkinson also pointed out that the pact could lead to hate speech laws that make it illegal to use the term “illegal migrants,” replacing it instead with “irregular migrants”.
“It will be illegal not to use their prescribed language,” warned Atkinson, adding that European citizens could “say goodbye to your democracy and your way of life” if the pact is implemented.
President Macron’s approval rating has sunk to 18% amidst a wave of protests riots against a number of issues, including fuel taxes and mass immigration.
Read the full letter from the French generals below (translated).
Mister President,
You are about to sign the “Global Compact on Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration” on 10 and 11 December, which establishes a genuine right to migration. It may impose itself on our national legislation through pre-existing treaties or the principle of common responsibility set out in this pact.
It seems to us that the only sovereignty that will remain with France will consist in freely setting the way in which the objectives of the pact will have to be implemented. You can not give up this new part of the national sovereignty without a public debate whereas 80% of the French population considers that it is necessary to stop or regulate drastically the immigration. By deciding alone to sign this pact, you would add an additional reason for revolt to the anger of an already battered people. You would be guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation.
In addition, the finances of our country are drained and our debt is growing. You can not take the risk of an expensive call for air migration without first showing that you will not have to resort to more taxes to meet the objectives of the pact. On the other hand, you must be able, in terms of security, to curb the consequences linked to the arrival of extra-European populations. Finally, you can not ignore that the very essence of politics is to ensure security on the outside and harmony within. However, this concord can be obtained only if it maintains a certain internal coherence of the society alone capable of allowing to want to do together, which becomes more and more problematic today.
In fact, the French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic.
You can not decide alone to erase our civilizational landmarks and deprive us of our carnal homeland.
We therefore ask you to defer the signing of this pact and call by referendum the French to vote on this document. You are accountable to the French of your actions. Your election is not a blank.
We support the initiative of General MARTINEZ against the signature of this pact which must be adopted by the Member States of the UN at the Intergovernmental Conference of Marrakech.
General Antoine MARTINEZ
Charles MILLON – Former Minister of Defense
General Marc BERTUCCHI
General Philippe CHATENOUD
General André COUSTOU
General Roland DUBOIS
General Daniel GROSMAIRE
General Christian HOUDET
General Michel ISSAVERDENS
Admiral Patrick MARTIN
General Christian PIQUEMAL
General Daniel SCHAEFFER
General Didier TAUZIN
Colonel Jean Louis CHANAS
Open letter says French citizens have another reason to “revolt”
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - December 13, 2018
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A group of French military generals have written an open letter to Emmanuel Macron accusing the French President of committing “treason” by signing the UN migration pact.
The pact, which was signed by 164 nations on Monday, including France, is not legally binding but greases the skids for unlimited migration to be treated as a human right and criticism of mass migration to be treated as hate speech.
A letter written by General Antoine Martinez and signed by ten other generals, an admiral and a colonel, as well as former French Minister of Defense Charles Millon, warns Macron that the move strips France of more sovereignty and provides an additional reason for “an already battered people” to “revolt”.
The letter accuses Macron of being “guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation” for signing the pact without putting it to the people.
“The French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic,” states the letter, adding that mass immigration is erasing France’s “civilizational landmarks”.
According to British MEP Janice Atkinson, the UN pact would lead to Europe being flooded with 59 million new migrants within the next 6 years.
Warning that the plan would lead to European countries having their “culture and identity crushed,” Atkinson also pointed out that the pact could lead to hate speech laws that make it illegal to use the term “illegal migrants,” replacing it instead with “irregular migrants”.
“It will be illegal not to use their prescribed language,” warned Atkinson, adding that European citizens could “say goodbye to your democracy and your way of life” if the pact is implemented.
President Macron’s approval rating has sunk to 18% amidst a wave of protests riots against a number of issues, including fuel taxes and mass immigration.
Read the full letter from the French generals below (translated).
Mister President,
You are about to sign the “Global Compact on Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration” on 10 and 11 December, which establishes a genuine right to migration. It may impose itself on our national legislation through pre-existing treaties or the principle of common responsibility set out in this pact.
It seems to us that the only sovereignty that will remain with France will consist in freely setting the way in which the objectives of the pact will have to be implemented. You can not give up this new part of the national sovereignty without a public debate whereas 80% of the French population considers that it is necessary to stop or regulate drastically the immigration. By deciding alone to sign this pact, you would add an additional reason for revolt to the anger of an already battered people. You would be guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation.
In addition, the finances of our country are drained and our debt is growing. You can not take the risk of an expensive call for air migration without first showing that you will not have to resort to more taxes to meet the objectives of the pact. On the other hand, you must be able, in terms of security, to curb the consequences linked to the arrival of extra-European populations. Finally, you can not ignore that the very essence of politics is to ensure security on the outside and harmony within. However, this concord can be obtained only if it maintains a certain internal coherence of the society alone capable of allowing to want to do together, which becomes more and more problematic today.
In fact, the French state is late in coming to realize the impossibility of integrating too many people, in addition to totally different cultures, who have regrouped in the last forty years in areas that no longer submit to the laws of the Republic.
You can not decide alone to erase our civilizational landmarks and deprive us of our carnal homeland.
We therefore ask you to defer the signing of this pact and call by referendum the French to vote on this document. You are accountable to the French of your actions. Your election is not a blank.
We support the initiative of General MARTINEZ against the signature of this pact which must be adopted by the Member States of the UN at the Intergovernmental Conference of Marrakech.
General Antoine MARTINEZ
Charles MILLON – Former Minister of Defense
General Marc BERTUCCHI
General Philippe CHATENOUD
General André COUSTOU
General Roland DUBOIS
General Daniel GROSMAIRE
General Christian HOUDET
General Michel ISSAVERDENS
Admiral Patrick MARTIN
General Christian PIQUEMAL
General Daniel SCHAEFFER
General Didier TAUZIN
Colonel Jean Louis CHANAS
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Don't know what it's to do with me. It's democracy at work. We each have one vote when that day comes around.
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Wish you could say the same about Momentum
You'd like to go back to the 70s when we the poor man of Europe?
Now that really is bollocks.
Corbyn and McDonnell are self confessed Marxists.
Just watching back QT.
My God, as usual the panel and audience were loaded with remainers.
Glad Dimbleby is leaving too, as he's always given far more time to speak to left leaning panellists over the years.
Good old unbiased (actually they admitted years ago that they are institutionally left wing) BBC.
My God, as usual the panel and audience were loaded with remainers.
Glad Dimbleby is leaving too, as he's always given far more time to speak to left leaning panellists over the years.
Good old unbiased (actually they admitted years ago that they are institutionally left wing) BBC.
Who would you like on the show to speak in favour of ****ing the country off?
Sorry you felt that way, Staines. I'm just a bit fed up with easy playground replies coming back in reply to any attempt to try and genuinely communicate with those sitting on the other side of the Brexit divide. I'm not totally innocent of that, either. One mans humorous reply is something another man is insulted by (or pretends to be just to win on the internet).
I liked the idea of sending away 500 random people to sort out Brexit
Love island on the Isle of Man with a final decision being taken in a death type motorbike race
Love island on the Isle of Man with a final decision being taken in a death type motorbike race