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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
rangercol said:
Hard brexit.
Won't happen though as it's been fudged and those of us who wanted to leave the EU (only nearly 17 and a half ****ing million of us!) have been betrayed.
At least all the Tory haters will be pleased as the voters will anhialate them for this.
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Wouldn't worry about that. What makes you think they want us to remain now that they've got us where they want - begging for a deal - any deal on the terms they offer? The real problem is not Remoaners. It's the twin facts that there are 57 different varieties of Brexit available and no real consensus in the Brexit camp coupled with the fact that it has been manipulated by politicians' own ambitions. By the way it's annihilate. Someone has to keep up our reputation for being pedantic. Good news on the whole. We can all still keep buying our BMWs, VWs, Audis and Bosch electricals.

Bit worried about Northern Ireland though and the unionist backlash because I suspect that the new consensus forming towards a soft Brexit will mean that Arlene and her thugs and dinosaurs will be told where they can stick their support
 
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sb_73 said:
It turned out that the couple had phoned the emergency services but lacked the language to say what was up and where they were. So at one stage I had my phone to one ear and their phone to the other, talking to two different call handlers. We sorted that through and the original one I had called was very good indeed at advising what to do and how to do it.

Not really brave Matt, I might have reacted very differently if there was a lot of blood or it was a child in an RTA. I think panic would have set in then.
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You’d be amazed mate.....I had an RTC last week and I surprised myself that it all kicked in.
 
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Missed the news, so watched Newsnight for the first time for ages instead. Very interesting discussion between a Tory remained (Matthew Parris) a Tory Leaver (or at least a Leaver) and a Labour woman (didn’t catch their names). For once it wasn’t shouting other each other and they all agreed that there is no majority in Parliament for any of the potential deals and the most likely outcome is that May survives and has to go back to the EU and ask for an extension on the leave date, ie Brexit doesn’t happen March 2019.
 
sb_73 said:
Missed the news, so watched Newsnight for the first time for ages instead. Very interesting discussion between a Tory remained (Matthew Parris) a Tory Leaver (or at least a Leaver) and a Labour woman (didn’t catch their names). For once it wasn’t shouting other each other and they all agreed that there is no majority in Parliament for any of the potential deals and the most likely outcome is that May survives and has to go back to the EU and ask for an extension on the leave date, ie Brexit doesn’t happen March 2019.
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That would be a huge risk - an Article 50 request needs to be agreed by unanimity. You wouldn't be that surprised if at least one Member State decided to **** us off. And I really wouldn't be surprised if some of them needed a referendum of their own to agree it. What a bloody mess...
 
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Dan Starkey 2 said:
That would be a huge risk - an Article 50 request needs to be agreed by unanimity. You wouldn't be that surprised if at least one Member State decided to **** us off. And I really wouldn't be surprised if some of them needed a referendum of their own to agree it. What a bloody mess...
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Tom Watson has just repeated on the radio that is is possible that no position will command a majority in Parliament, in other words our elected representatives are unable to make a decision, in which case, even though Labour doesn’t want it, another referendum would be the only option.
 
"I asked for Unicorns and the Unicorn side got more votes in the Unicorn referendum. No, we never knew how we were going to do it, and some of us wanted the gold Unicorn that one guy promised and some wanted the silver Unicorn that the other guy promised - but we don't quite know which colour Unicorn got the most votes because they didn't ask us that question."

This farce always was, and continues to be, about who runs the Conservative party and staying in power when they were losing voters to UKIP.
 
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TheBigDipper said:
"I asked for Unicorns and the Unicorn side got more votes in the Unicorn referendum. No, we never knew how we were going to do it, and some of us wanted the gold Unicorn that one guy promised and some wanted the silver Unicorn that the other guy promised - but we don't quite know which colour Unicorn got the most votes because they didn't ask us that question."

This farce always was, and continues to be, about who runs the Conservative party and staying in power when they were losing voters to UKIP.
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I thought the farce was bought about because the Tory's didn't think the people would be so stupid
 
kiwiqpr said:
I thought the farce was bought about because the Tory's didn't think the people would be so stupid
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Depends on which Tories you mean. Dave thought the Referendum was a free pass to a win that would legitimise his bit of their fractured nest of vipers. Boris thought it was the path to leadership. Some of the more swivel-eyed hoped enough people were stupid enough to take sides one way or the other without actually seeing how it could never end well. And for most of us, it isn't.

All of them are insulated from the financial outcomes that will affect ordinary people. You're well off in NZ...
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Polls have gone from good to shockingly bad for Theresa.

EU are preparing to make huge demands on her watered down Brexit proposal.

Dead meat and Mogg sharpening the carving knife?
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I don't think she is dead meat at all - for the time being, at least. She's a second-rate politician promoted way above her abilities, but the one thing you can say about her is that she is a survivor. Andrea Leadsom was on Newsnight last night professing her support for the Chequers agreement, and Gove was all over the media at the weekend supporting it, so there may not be any more resignations for now. Davis was a waste of space anyway, and she will be happy that Johnson resigned before she had to sack him, so she might actually be in a stronger position today than she was on Friday morning. I don't think there'll be a leadership challenge before the Tory Brexit difficulties are resolved, which will either be via a further referendum (No Deal v No Brexit) or a General Election, which will hand the problem to Labour.
 
TheBigDipper said:
Depends on which Tories you mean. Dave thought the Referendum was a free pass to a win that would legitimise his bit of their fractured nest of vipers. Boris thought it was the path to leadership. Some of the more swivel-eyed hoped enough people were stupid enough to take sides one way or the other without actually seeing how it could never end well. And for most of us, it isn't.

All of them are insulated from the financial outcomes that will affect ordinary people. You're well off in NZ...
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Cameron thought he'd need to get the Lib Dems back onside in 2015, and this was an easy manifesto item to trade for their support. When he won his majority he was stuck with it. Ironically, if we'd seen a handful more UKIP voters at the 2015 GE this would't be happening...
 
Stroller said:
I don't think she is dead meat at all - for the time being, at least. She's a second-rate politician promoted way above her abilities, but the one thing you can say about her is that she is a survivor. Andrea Leadsom was on Newsnight last night professing her support for the Chequers agreement, and Gove was all over the media at the weekend supporting it, so there may not be any more resignations for now. Davis was a waste of space anyway, and she will be happy that Johnson resigned before she had to sack him, so she might actually be in a stronger position today than she was on Friday morning. I don't think there'll be a leadership challenge before the Tory Brexit difficulties are resolved, which will either be via a further referendum (No Deal v No Brexit) or a General Election, which will hand the problem to Labour.
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We'll have to see the White Paper, but if it's not ambitious and doesn't contain areas on which to compromise with the EU (without alienating her Brexit ministers and backbenchers), she is going to lose ministers one by one over the coming months. Raab is an intelligent, tough minded Brexiteer and that gives me hope. But May's future depends a great deal now on the EU. If Brussels take the view that they don't want to lose her to a right-winger, then they may go easy on their Brexit demands - but I'll believe that when I see it.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
We'll have to see the White Paper, but if it's not ambitious and doesn't contain areas on which to compromise with the EU (without alienating her Brexit ministers and backbenchers), she is going to lose ministers one by one over the coming months. Raab is an intelligent, tough minded Brexiteer and that gives me hope. But May's future depends a great deal now on the EU. If Brussels take the view that they don't want to lose her to a right-winger, then they may go easy on their Brexit demands - but I'll believe that when I see it.
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The truly hilarious thing about this is that Brexiteers seemed to believe genuinely, and many still do, that the UK was the one that could make demands and the EU would come with a begging bowl. I call that arrogance. Small wonder it's been such a disaster when they got even that assessment wrong.
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
The truly hilarious thing about this is that Brexiteers seemed to believe genuinely, and many still do, that the UK was the one that could make demands and the EU would come with a begging bowl. I call that arrogance. Small wonder it's been such a disaster when they got even that assessment wrong.
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It's not arrogance, it was the way to have negotiated. Our country gets talked down too much.
Sadly this has turned into a mess due to remoaners/Media/liberal elite/Blair and co who couldn't accept a democratic vote. Treacherous twats the lot of them.
'May the betrayer' needs to go quickly and hopefully we may see the 48 letters. We need a strong leader that will get us out of that ridiculous organization. Should have let Farage do the negotiations. I also see WTO coming.

Donald Trump knows how to deal with the EU. He threatened to pull out of NATO if the EU didn't pay the money on defense. Today they have committed to paying up? People knock him but again he has got a result.
 
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Do any of you listen to the arrogant but amusing James O'Brien on LBC?

I don't, but I listen to clips of his show on line. It may be selective uploading from LBC, but O'Brien destroys all brexit contributors with his arguments.

What approach would any of you leave voters take with O'Brien if you were arguing your case with him?
 
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