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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Not THIS negotiation, where the impact of not having a deal is far worse than doing what you consider a 'bad' deal. If you don't think you're getting a good deal buying a car, you walk away just as you are today. If we walk away with no deal, we're screwed. If you can't see that, then please don't quote any negotiation tactics at me again, please, because it's pretty clear you don't know the first thing about it.

Nobody wants a no deal, but the point you're missing is that the cocky EU need to believe that we will walk away with no deal. That means we seriously plan for it, just in case.
 
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Nobody wants a no deal, but the point you're missing is that the cocky EU need to believe that we will walk away with no deal. That means we seriously plan for it, just in case.
I'm surprised you've said that because the consistent theme from the Brexit camp has been that no deal really is better than a deal which fetters in any way our freedom to trade with whom we want and to keep out anyone we want. If so, let's just go as quickly as possible and go to Court to sort out any contested liabilities. Instead HM government seems to lurch from one crisis to another and always seems to capitulate at the last minute to demands which you say are unreasonable and designed to punish. Why is that?
 
I'm surprised you've said that because the consistent theme from the Brexit camp has been that no deal really is better than a deal which fetters in any way our freedom to trade with whom we want and to keep out anyone we want. If so, let's just go as quickly as possible and go to Court to sort out any contested liabilities. Instead HM government seems to lurch from one crisis to another and always seems to capitulate at the last minute to demands which you say are unreasonable and designed to punish. Why is that?

I don't want our freedom to trade fettered by the EU. I want the UK to have control over its own borders. I don't think that's unreasonable and I see no reason why we can't reach a trade deal with the EU on this basis particularly as EU member firms have a great deal to gain, including £37bn cash and access to our market and premier international financial centre.
 
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I don't want our freedom to trade fettered by the EU. I want the UK to have control over its own borders. I don't think that's unreasonable and I see no reason why we can't reach a trade deal with the EU on this basis particularly as EU member firms have a great deal to gain, including £37bn cash and access to our market and premier international financial centre.

If we walk away with no deal (which Rees-Mogg and his band of loony righties seem to want) are we really going to renege on the agreement to pay the £37bn? Surely that's just what we have agreed we owe, not contingent upon a trade agreement?
 
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Hard to believe that he gets re-elected with a record like that. Unvelievable that one MP can prevent so much debate - his actions yesterday are surely deplorable, apparently over 90% of people polled were in favour of making upskirting an offence (although how it already isn't is quite difficult to understand - and why would anyone want to do something so creepy?)
 
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Hard to believe that he gets re-elected with a record like that. Unvelievable that one MP can prevent so much debate - his actions yesterday are surely deplorable, apparently over 90% of people polled were in favour of making upskirting an offence (although how it already isn't is quite difficult to understand - and why would anyone want to do something so creepy?)

Mrs May decided he was worthy of a knighthood last year for 'services to the country'.
 
If we walk away with no deal (which Rees-Mogg and his band of loony righties seem to want) are we really going to renege on the agreement to pay the £37bn? Surely that's just what we have agreed we owe, not contingent upon a trade agreement?

Nothing is agreed unless and until everything is agreed, May has made that clear, so the £37bn figure means nothing in the event of a no-deal
 
Hard to believe that he gets re-elected with a record like that. Unvelievable that one MP can prevent so much debate - his actions yesterday are surely deplorable, apparently over 90% of people polled were in favour of making upskirting an offence (although how it already isn't is quite difficult to understand - and why would anyone want to do something so creepy?)

He's the MP for my constituency ( I can't bring myself to say "my MP"). He's a self-serving, nasty troublemaker who gets elected because he wears a blue rosette, not a red, orange, green or yellow one. The people who vote for him either agree with his voting record or are oblivious to it. Generally the latter.

One of his troublemaking habits is to object to the first pass of every private members bill to stop them being passed through to the next stage without a debate and vote being timetabled. Then, when debated, to help filibuster the ones he doesn't like so they run out of time and get dropped.

He wouldn't have known what he was objecting to, nor would he have cared. I met him once. Odious.
 
He's the MP for my constituency ( I can't bring myself to say "my MP"). He's a self-serving, nasty troublemaker who gets elected because he wears a blue rosette, not a red, orange, green or yellow one. The people who vote for him either agree with his voting record or are oblivious to it. Generally the latter.

One of his troublemaking habits is to object to the first pass of every private members bill to stop them being passed through to the next stage without a debate and vote being timetabled. Then, when debated, to help filibuster the ones he doesn't like so they run out of time and get dropped.

He wouldn't have known what he was objecting to, nor would he have cared. I met him once. Odious.

Hope he gets deselected.

Was watching BBC News earlier, and a girl who had been the victim of upskirting was being interviewed - she sent a tweet to him asking why he had objected, and what was his issue - he isn't even aware of what Upskirting is, but has agreed to meet her to discuss the issue. Brave girl.
 
Is there a General Election looming? Mrs May seems to have located the magic money tree in announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS by 2023. Great, if she is as good as her word, but how are they going to do it? Good luck waiting for the 'Brexit dividend'.
 
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Is there an General Election looming? Mrs May seems to have located the magic money tree in announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS by 2023. Great, if she is as good as her word, but how are they going to do it? Good luck waiting for the 'Brexit dividend'.

I just think they should bite the bullet and increase national insurance to fund it. As a public servant I don't like the idea of ring fencing an income tax rise for one topic or department as it sets us all against each other and takes everyone's focus off doing the actual work we should. And I'm thinking entirely of myself as I'm coming up to 30 years in post!
 
Is there a General Election looming? Mrs May seems to have located the magic money tree in announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS by 2023. Great, if she is as good as her word, but how are they going to do it? Good luck waiting for the 'Brexit dividend'.

It’s a meaningless statement which will curry favour with morons.

She’s in no position at all to say what will happen in 2023. She’ll be in a home by then rocking in a chair and muttering “Brexit means Brexit” for 18 hours a day.
 
Is there an General Election looming? Mrs May seems to have located the magic money tree in announcing an extra £20bn a year for the NHS by 2023. Great, if she is as good as her word, but how are they going to do it? Good luck waiting for the 'Brexit dividend'.

To be honest, from a front line perspective, no money in the world will change the fact that there will always be a massive strain on the NHS.
An aging population, a mental health crisis and rampant drink and drug abuse, coupled with the fact that EVERYONE feels they need to go to hospital (as is their right) means there will never be enough staff, ambulances or facilities for all.
I wish I had a solution but until someone far more clever than me comes up with one......we’ll keep on going.
 
To be honest, from a front line perspective, no money in the world will change the fact that there will always be a massive strain on the NHS.
An aging population, a mental health crisis and rampant drink and drug abuse, coupled with the fact that EVERYONE feels they need to go to hospital (as is their right) means there will never be enough staff, ambulances or facilities for all.
I wish I had a solution but until someone far more clever than me comes up with one......we’ll keep on going.

Boot out them immigrants wot are clogging up the NHS.