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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    That’s interesting Bob. My gramps was the same and only spoke briefly of what he’d seen and done in the war.
    He threw his medals in the garden and buried them.
    Hated Churchill as well….
     
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    My dad hated Churchill too.
     
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    I think the “Churchill was everyone’s hero” narrative is often overstated.
     
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    So we've established that sometimes evil attacks evil.

    But we haven't establshed that both sides to a conflict have degrees of evil. The Nazis attacked Poland in 1939. How culpable was Poland?

    Next question- Putin attacks Ukraine in 2022. How culpable was Ukraine?
     
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    Very similar indeed. He gave his medals to a charity shop. Wasnt interested in them and felt a lot of shame.
     
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    I guess being very young men and being sent to a war to kill other young men didn’t sit right with a lot of them
     
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    Im guessing so. Really interesting guy, a shame i only got to spend a couple of years with him. His wife (grandma in law) was Irish and lived through the real 'troubles' in Ireland. Much more facinating stories to be fair.
     
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    Absolutely ukraine aren't culpable and its very sad for them. Its unfortunate that ukraine is the pawn in this instance within the game of geopolitics.

    I would say 98% of people wish peace and happiness around the world but its always the elites who make the decisions.
     
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    Totally and send others to do the dirty work or die as the case may be.
     
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    The 1945 election is a good gauge.
     
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    Agree, so Ukraine isn't culpable and Putin is an unelected (in any fair election) ultra nationalist and a sociopath. Doesn't that explain the problem, full stop?
     
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    Churchill came back again though
     
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    Labour received more votes than the Tories in 1951. The Liberals didn't stand in many constituencies, helping the Tories.
     
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    Yes, more votes but fewer seats, crucial in FPTP. Nevertheless, Churchill did well, particularly as he had been branded a war prime minister. Atlee made a strategic error in calling the election.
     
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    Out of curiosity Goldie…what’s your opinion of Aimen Dean ? Quite a complex character I feel but comes across very well and super intelligent on the Conflicted Podcast
     
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    It’s a useful gauge for other strictly merited awards though.

    If Williamson, a certified idiot, merits a knighthood we can look forward to Lord Rees Mogg, Earl Raab, Duchess Dorries and Queen Priti.
    Well, not wanting to get into whatever this debate is about (I’m really not sure) but for accuracy, Stalin did invade Poland at exactly the same time that Hitler did, they agreed to partition the country (a long-standing habit, Prussia, Austria Hungary and Russia had taken chunks out of Poland by agreement with each other, but not the Poles, at least 3 times before, which is why the country didn’t exist before the first world war).

    The head of the Kuomintang was Chiang Kai Shek. There was a poorly respected truce between the Communist Party and the KMT from 1936 and 1945, so they could fight the occupying Japanese. Turned out that the CCP gathered its strength by only committing to guerrilla action against the Japanese, while the KMT suffered huge losses through more conventional engagement with the Japanese, which they had to commit to as the legal government of China (supported by both the US and the USSR).

    It’s really interesting stuff, this Machiavellian manoeuvring.
     
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    someone else for me to google
     
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    I really recommend the Conflicted podcast….really opens your mind
     
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    who are you colling closed minded
    :emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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