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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
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Pleased to hear she has lost her place in the U.K. but agree with her about the fact lives lost on both sides will always have opposite viewpoints

The word terrorist is over used by the U.K. imo
It means we can call people that if they don’t align our beliefs. It gets to a point that if you object to Israel and the evils that it gets say with then you outlawed

Pleased the home office has acted on this as you pick your sides .. she was however sensationalised for sheep food imo ...
 
Katie Hopkins has British Citizenship revoked
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The right-wing commentator Katie Hopkins has had Her British Citizenship revoked.
Her family received a letter today saying she has 47-minutes to f**k off out of it and that she has the right to appeal as long as it is submitted by last Tuesday.
A source said, ‘The Home Secretary was just signing the Shamima Begum letter and thought ‘Ah b*llocks to it. While I’m here.’
‘He said he will sort out James Blunt and everyone on Loose Women when he gets into the office tomorrow.’
According to the Magna Carta, any British citizen can actually have their single citizenship revoked.
In these circumstances, by default it is replaced with honorary citizenship of the People’s Republic of Button Moon.
 
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And people moaned about the negotiations and you read this? Blair is a good example of the 'Enemy within'. Treacherous muppet.
Blame Blair for the mess EU has made of Brexit
A SORE tooth is enough to put anyone in a bad mood. A sore Tusk, however, is a temperamental event on an altogether bigger scale.
BY PATRICK O'FLYNN


And there is no doubt Donald Tusk, President of the EU Council of Ministers, was feeling very sore when he made his spectacularly undiplomatic outburst against Brexit campaigners, wondering what "special place in hell" lies in wait for us. Tusk is usually a cool character. So while many observers were swept up in the reaction to his remarks, others asked themselves what had brought them about and what the outburst tells us about the pressure on the Brussels high command as Britain's March 29 leaving date looms. The trail, fascinatingly, leads back to a plot to stop Brexit spearheaded by none other than former PM Tony Blair.
EU insiders tell me that Tusk allowed himself to become convinced Brexit was going to be overturned after a plan was constructed between senior Brussels figures and British pro-Remain politicians, led by Blair, that seemed to be working perfectly.

Part of the plan involved Brussels playing hardball in negotiations, so that the deal Theresa May was able to put in front of MPs was profoundly unappetising.

That advice to Brussels was relayed by a stream of pro-Remain visitors from the heart of the British establishment.

One of them, the philosopher AC Grayling, was even caught on camera telling the European Parliament's Brexit chief Guy Verhofstadt: "What would help the Remain movement in the UK is if the EU is very, very tough and uncompromising on a deal."

And so it came to pass, with the EU offering Britain almost no concessions but us being tied to the interminable "Irish Backstop" with no unilateral right of escape.

Indeed, when the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by Theresa May was defeated by 230 votes in the House of Commons in mid-January, Tusk dropped a public hint that he now thought Britain would stay in the EU, declaring: "If a deal is impossible and no one wants no-deal, then who will finally have the courage to say what the only positive solution is?"

For his part, Mr Blair has been a fierce opponent of Brexit from the off, campaigning against it in the referendum and ever since.

But it was last year that he stepped up his efforts, insisting he believed he could prevent it. He publicly stated in November: "Up to the end I am going to do everything I can to stop it."
In an interview the previous month he gave a clue as to how: by using the pro-Remain majority in the Commons to defeat the Government and secure a postponement in our leaving date.

This in turn would be used to fight and win a second referendum.

"If you do get to a blockage in Parliament that is what opens up the possibility of going back to the people," said Blair.

It was all going so swimmingly. The trap was meant to spring shut on Brexiteers in a series of Commons votes on January 29.

The key one was an amendment put forward by Labour's Yvette Cooper - a one-time protegé of Blair's - and the Tory MP Nick Boles.

It sought to outlaw leaving the EU with no deal and put back the target date for Brexit to the end of the year, leaving time for the Blairite "People's Vote" campaign to force a second referendum in the autumn.

Given the 230-vote thrashing May had suffered a fortnight earlier, the Remainers were confident of success.

But that was not how it panned out. Instead a motion was passed backing the Withdrawal Agreement provided the Irish backstop was removed.

And the Cooper amendment was defeated by 23 votes, with enough Labour MPs from pro-Leave seats voting against it to counteract the pro-Brussels Tories who supported it.

That result was devastating for Brussels and for Tusk in particular. He had been parroting a line that the UK Parliament must stop saying what it didn't want and start saying what it did want, confident that May would fail to assemble a majority for anything.

But suddenly she had. And the bid to create space for a second referendum was in ruins.

So now the Brussels high command is in a state of disarray. It had come to believe that playing hardball would lead to the blocking of Brexit.
Now it fears the result will instead be the UK leaving on WTO terms on March 29.

That would reduce the EU's access to its biggest export market just as several EU countries are on the verge of recession, put in jeopardy most of a scheduled £39billion UK divorce payment and leave the Republic of Ireland facing a very difficult time.

If Mrs May can exploit this new dynamic and hold her nerve then there is a very good chance that the Irish backstop will indeed have to be dumped and a more equitable leaving deal agreed.

And there is no doubt in my mind whom Mr Tusk is really angriest with.

Not Brexiteers, but the has-beens of the Remain campaign - Blair chief among them - who led him up the garden path.

As he noted coldly in that same press conference on Wednesday, "there is no political force and no effective leadership" for a bid to keep the UK in the EU.

Translation: Mr Blair may think he is a messiah, but to the bigwigs of Brussels he is now just a very naughty boy.
 
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And people moaned about the negotiations and you read this? Blair is a good example of the 'Enemy within'. Treacherous muppet.
Blame Blair for the mess EU has made of Brexit
A SORE tooth is enough to put anyone in a bad mood. A sore Tusk, however, is a temperamental event on an altogether bigger scale.
BY PATRICK O'FLYNN


And there is no doubt Donald Tusk, President of the EU Council of Ministers, was feeling very sore when he made his spectacularly undiplomatic outburst against Brexit campaigners, wondering what "special place in hell" lies in wait for us. Tusk is usually a cool character. So while many observers were swept up in the reaction to his remarks, others asked themselves what had brought them about and what the outburst tells us about the pressure on the Brussels high command as Britain's March 29 leaving date looms. The trail, fascinatingly, leads back to a plot to stop Brexit spearheaded by none other than former PM Tony Blair.
EU insiders tell me that Tusk allowed himself to become convinced Brexit was going to be overturned after a plan was constructed between senior Brussels figures and British pro-Remain politicians, led by Blair, that seemed to be working perfectly.

Part of the plan involved Brussels playing hardball in negotiations, so that the deal Theresa May was able to put in front of MPs was profoundly unappetising.

That advice to Brussels was relayed by a stream of pro-Remain visitors from the heart of the British establishment.

One of them, the philosopher AC Grayling, was even caught on camera telling the European Parliament's Brexit chief Guy Verhofstadt: "What would help the Remain movement in the UK is if the EU is very, very tough and uncompromising on a deal."
And so it came to pass, with the EU offering Britain almost no concessions but us being tied to the interminable "Irish Backstop" with no unilateral right of escape.

Indeed, when the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated by Theresa May was defeated by 230 votes in the House of Commons in mid-January, Tusk dropped a public hint that he now thought Britain would stay in the EU, declaring: "If a deal is impossible and no one wants no-deal, then who will finally have the courage to say what the only positive solution is?"

For his part, Mr Blair has been a fierce opponent of Brexit from the off, campaigning against it in the referendum and ever since.

But it was last year that he stepped up his efforts, insisting he believed he could prevent it. He publicly stated in November: "Up to the end I am going to do everything I can to stop it."
In an interview the previous month he gave a clue as to how: by using the pro-Remain majority in the Commons to defeat the Government and secure a postponement in our leaving date.

This in turn would be used to fight and win a second referendum.

"If you do get to a blockage in Parliament that is what opens up the possibility of going back to the people," said Blair.

It was all going so swimmingly. The trap was meant to spring shut on Brexiteers in a series of Commons votes on January 29.

The key one was an amendment put forward by Labour's Yvette Cooper - a one-time protegé of Blair's - and the Tory MP Nick Boles.

It sought to outlaw leaving the EU with no deal and put back the target date for Brexit to the end of the year, leaving time for the Blairite "People's Vote" campaign to force a second referendum in the autumn.

Given the 230-vote thrashing May had suffered a fortnight earlier, the Remainers were confident of success.

But that was not how it panned out. Instead a motion was passed backing the Withdrawal Agreement provided the Irish backstop was removed.

And the Cooper amendment was defeated by 23 votes, with enough Labour MPs from pro-Leave seats voting against it to counteract the pro-Brussels Tories who supported it.

That result was devastating for Brussels and for Tusk in particular. He had been parroting a line that the UK Parliament must stop saying what it didn't want and start saying what it did want, confident that May would fail to assemble a majority for anything.

But suddenly she had. And the bid to create space for a second referendum was in ruins.

So now the Brussels high command is in a state of disarray. It had come to believe that playing hardball would lead to the blocking of Brexit.
Now it fears the result will instead be the UK leaving on WTO terms on March 29.

That would reduce the EU's access to its biggest export market just as several EU countries are on the verge of recession, put in jeopardy most of a scheduled £39billion UK divorce payment and leave the Republic of Ireland facing a very difficult time.

If Mrs May can exploit this new dynamic and hold her nerve then there is a very good chance that the Irish backstop will indeed have to be dumped and a more equitable leaving deal agreed.

And there is no doubt in my mind whom Mr Tusk is really angriest with.

Not Brexiteers, but the has-beens of the Remain campaign - Blair chief among them - who led him up the garden path.

As he noted coldly in that same press conference on Wednesday, "there is no political force and no effective leadership" for a bid to keep the UK in the EU.

Translation: Mr Blair may think he is a messiah, but to the bigwigs of Brussels he is now just a very naughty boy.

Rather daft to even think that there are has beens of the remain camp ... I think you will find post Brexit that most of the country will look upon Brexit eers as being the real problem

You won the vote accepted
Any chance now of a basic plan going forward?

About time you accepted full responsibility instead of looking for your next one to blame imo

Fact is you do have a divided country that will take decades to unite never mind getting business on your side ... remember you and some on here have pushed for a no deal ... who is going to forget and forgive that ?

Out of Europe end of March with a idiot government which is equally split and in a real mess. Business moves away aplenty

Don’t worry about the EU reform concentrate on how the United Kingdom moves on from here

Your daily copy and pasted rubbish is entertaining for sure but it really doesn’t offer much does it?

Real people will suffer and you are worried about Blair ?
 
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Rubbish there is no longer a gateway to Europe
Please do not even hint that this has nothing to do with Brexit ... 100% sure they and the many others would of stayed if Brexit hadn’t happened

So take responsibility for it as there will be many more who’s business strategy was planned and built around the U.K. economy slipping

Project Reality so expect many more denials on here

Ok, so you're saying the vice-CEO of Honda was lying. Why would he do that? As to gateway to Europe, you don't know what the arrangements will be and neither does Honda. Why didn't Honda wait to learn of Brexit deal or managed no deal, before making an announcement?
 
They will move to Europe just watch and learn old kiddy ... no way would that be announced after a statement like they released last week ... the city knew ages ago about Honda and trend will snowball I guarantee you

Does anyone on there think Sheep News is actually played out in Sheep Media ?

It’s planned months ahead by much more clever farmers than the U.K. public

Why move to Europe when they can manufacture in Japan and export into Europe now, tariff free?
 
Evening Standard editorial...……..

It is polite to make an excuse when you leave somewhere early, and, in public, Japanese investors in Britain are nothing but polite.

That’s why Honda’s spokesman said this morning that the closure of the company’s Swindon plant had nothing to do with Brexit. Like a guest at a party where the hosts are having a nasty family row, Honda is backing out of the door as fast as it can.

Terribly sorry, it says — it’s not you, it’s us; of course we’d love to stay longer if we could.

We all know guests don’t mean it when they make excuses like this and we all know that Honda doesn’t mean it when it says Brexit didn’t shape its decision

This morning’s depressing news is part of the accelerating degradation of our economic strength because of Brexit. Banking. Medicines. Aerospace. Car-making. They are all pulling back hard from Britain.

Why? Well, nothing is simple in business and Honda is right to say that the shift to electric vehicles is a challenge for an established industry. But every car plant in the world is trying to move away from fossil fuels. So what is it that makes those in Britain different?

The answer is that only ours also face the extra pressure of the loss of guaranteed access to the market which takes their products. Nine out of 10 cars made in Swindon are exported to other EU countries.

A month before a no-deal Brexit which a Conservative Prime Minister insists is an option, Honda is shutting one of its car factories for the first time in 71 years. That’s not a coincidence. It’s a consequence.

Here’s another question. What was it that brought companies such as Honda to Britain in the first place?

It was a promise from another female Conservative prime minister. Back in the Eighties she told businesses a UK base would give them access to “a single market without barriers — visible or invisible — giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of more than 300 million of the world’s wealthiest and most prosperous people”.

That’s the offer Margaret Thatcher made when she placed Britain at the front of the queue for investment.

Now, in private, Japanese investors and officials are despairing at the way Mrs Thatcher’s promise has been betrayed. They feel hurt. They feel understandable disdain for the efforts of ministers such as Liam Fox, the minister who backed Brexit and is now begging for a UK-Japan trade deal.

In sorrow, they are also rapidly adjusting their plans for Britain.

Today it’s Honda in Swindon that’s been hit. Tomorrow it will be other workers, in other towns, who thought they had good jobs in strong companies.

“Idiocy of epic proportions”, one Honda employee has called it. His bosses couldn’t have put it better, if they had chosen to spell out the truth.
Aerospace, mmmmmmmmmmm seems the evening standard are making up bollox as usual, same as our resident europhile making up stories to suit their own agenda,
To say aerospace companies are leaving the EU is nothing short of absolute lies, scaremongering and trying to hoodwink the more gullible amongst us.
I know this because there are ZERO TARIFFS on aerospace and related goods between us and the EU so when people and journalists say Airbus is leaving the U.K. because of Brexit etc I know that journalists are scaremongering and “people” are lying just to get a reaction or to pretend they actually know something on a subject they clearly know jacks**t about.
This is not a dig at you stroller it’s a dig at other individuals and lying journalists in general.
 
Evening Standard editorial...……..

It is polite to make an excuse when you leave somewhere early, and, in public, Japanese investors in Britain are nothing but polite.

That’s why Honda’s spokesman said this morning that the closure of the company’s Swindon plant had nothing to do with Brexit. Like a guest at a party where the hosts are having a nasty family row, Honda is backing out of the door as fast as it can.

Terribly sorry, it says — it’s not you, it’s us; of course we’d love to stay longer if we could.

We all know guests don’t mean it when they make excuses like this and we all know that Honda doesn’t mean it when it says Brexit didn’t shape its decision

This morning’s depressing news is part of the accelerating degradation of our economic strength because of Brexit. Banking. Medicines. Aerospace. Car-making. They are all pulling back hard from Britain.

Why? Well, nothing is simple in business and Honda is right to say that the shift to electric vehicles is a challenge for an established industry. But every car plant in the world is trying to move away from fossil fuels. So what is it that makes those in Britain different?

The answer is that only ours also face the extra pressure of the loss of guaranteed access to the market which takes their products. Nine out of 10 cars made in Swindon are exported to other EU countries.

A month before a no-deal Brexit which a Conservative Prime Minister insists is an option, Honda is shutting one of its car factories for the first time in 71 years. That’s not a coincidence. It’s a consequence.

Here’s another question. What was it that brought companies such as Honda to Britain in the first place?

It was a promise from another female Conservative prime minister. Back in the Eighties she told businesses a UK base would give them access to “a single market without barriers — visible or invisible — giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of more than 300 million of the world’s wealthiest and most prosperous people”.

That’s the offer Margaret Thatcher made when she placed Britain at the front of the queue for investment.

Now, in private, Japanese investors and officials are despairing at the way Mrs Thatcher’s promise has been betrayed. They feel hurt. They feel understandable disdain for the efforts of ministers such as Liam Fox, the minister who backed Brexit and is now begging for a UK-Japan trade deal.

In sorrow, they are also rapidly adjusting their plans for Britain.

Today it’s Honda in Swindon that’s been hit. Tomorrow it will be other workers, in other towns, who thought they had good jobs in strong companies.

“Idiocy of epic proportions”, one Honda employee has called it. His bosses couldn’t have put it better, if they had chosen to spell out the truth.

First time I've seen you quote George Osborne with approval, Strolls
 
So now we all know what we already knew. These are all remoaners wanting to stop Brexit. going against the will of the people. They all deserve to go at the next GE.
 
As a Tory member it does make me cringe when I see this. It just goes to show how politicians can lie through their teeth. Remember Anna you told your constituents that you would honour the result of the referendum.
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As a Tory member it does make me cringe when I see this. It just goes to show how politicians can lie through their teeth. Remember Anna you told your constituents that you would honour the result of the referendum.
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There will be more that go, I think. Boles, Lee, Rudd, Grieve etc. If they go, we must surely be headed for a General Election later in the year, which will mean a new Tory leadership contest before that. Bloody hell, a lot to get through... But if there was a GE, these rebel MP's may well lose their seats
 
There will be more that go, I think. Boles, Lee, Rudd, Grieve etc. If they go, we must surely be headed for a General Election later in the year, which will mean a new Tory leadership contest before that. Bloody hell, a lot to get through... But if there was a GE, these rebel MP's may well lose their seats
Funny you say that as the Political editor on Sky has just said the same. If this group grows she will call a GE and he said "I bet my bottom dollar they would all lose their seats" as people would go back to Labour/Tory.
It really is just a hijack attempt on Brexit. This was planned months ago and when you look back at their meetings together months ago, you can now work it out.
I want a GE so we can get rid of these remain muppets. I know 2 or 3 great Brexit politicians that can replace them. Bring back Portillo!
 
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They are now in the House all sitting behind the SNP. <laugh> Ken Clarke reckons at least 6 could leave. I reckon Lee will go.
 
Funny you say that as the Political editor on Sky has just said the same. If this group grows she will call a GE and he said "I bet my bottom dollar they would all lose their seats" as people would go back to Labour/Tory.
It really is just a hijack attempt on Brexit. This was planned months ago and when you look back at their meetings together months ago, you can now work it out.
I want a GE so we can get rid of these remain muppets. I know 2 or 3 great Brexit politicians that can replace them. Bring back Portillo!

The problem may be that the Tory Remainers may use this as leverage against May, threatening to leave too unless we have Brino