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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
ELLERS said:
Yes Mate, why would Germany go over the heads of the EU to want us to stay? I thought they did everything together as a 27?
Truth is that so far they have held the best hand but now they are on the back foot and will have to adapt or countries will start rebelling.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ean-union-budget-brussels-britain-eu-payments

The EU are becoming more unpopular by the day and are clapping down on states that want a say.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...rious-rogue-states-cash-frozen-european-union
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The article about budget cuts is really interesting, Ellers. This, plus the huge vote against May's deal, must concentrate minds on the Continent. It's easy for the 27 to stay united when all they have to turn up and listen to Barnier. But when large grants member countries were expecting and had budgeted for are not now available, it's another matter. And Remainers expect us to believe the 27 will all sit with arms firmly crossed and say "We don't care about the money, we won't move an inch"? I don't think so.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
The article about budget cuts is really interesting, Ellers. This, plus the huge vote against May's deal, must concentrate minds on the Continent. It's easy for the 27 to stay united when all they have to turn up and listen to Barnier. But when large grants member countries were expecting and had budgeted for are not now available, it's another matter. And Remainers expect us to believe the 27 will all sit with arms firmly crossed and say "We don't care about the money, we won't move an inch"? I don't think so.
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They can make it up by slamming big tariffs on our exports:emoticon-0103-cool:
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
The article about budget cuts is really interesting, Ellers. This, plus the huge vote against May's deal, must concentrate minds on the Continent. It's easy for the 27 to stay united when all they have to turn up and listen to Barnier. But when large grants member countries were expecting and had budgeted for are not now available, it's another matter. And Remainers expect us to believe the 27 will all sit with arms firmly crossed and say "We don't care about the money, we won't move an inch"? I don't think so.
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And this also confirms that they are worried:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/euro...t-fear-breakup-eu-105508089.html?guccounter=1
I did have a fab article on some of the smaller western EU countries that would be hit hard but bloody lost it. <doh>
Anyway it basically said that they rely on UK trade and it could cripple them if there was a problem.
Said all along they will back down at some point.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
And we reciprocate. Countries like Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands and yes, Germany, would be hit hard
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Yes, but it’s the companies that pay, the cash goes into government/EU coffers. Anyway, presumably it would be WTO levels, which aren’t that high except for agricultural stuff, so it was a light hearted comment from me.

Seems to me that the EU is just planning for the potential outcomes. It really is a serious problem for them, shouldn’t be underplayed. So far the UK government has spent £4.2bn on no deal planning and no one seems confident in it. 70 lorries in a car parking exercise and a contract to a ferry company with no boats. That’s half of our net annual EU contribution.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
And we reciprocate. Countries like Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands and yes, Germany, would be hit hard
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BBC: The Republic of Ireland is the fifth biggest customer for UK exports. The UK is the second biggest customer for Irish exports.
I heard yesterday that Ireland exports 70% of lamb/beef and milk to UK? (I think that's correct). Can you imagine if we decided to get beef from Argentina or somewhere else without all these EU tariffs? I wonder how long it would take Mr Aardvark to go knocking on the door of his mates in Brussels?
 
sb_73 said:
Yes, but it’s the companies that pay, the cash goes into government/EU coffers. Anyway, presumably it would be WTO levels, which aren’t that high except for agricultural stuff, so it was a light hearted comment from me.

Seems to me that the EU is just planning for the potential outcomes. It really is a serious problem for them, shouldn’t be underplayed. So far the UK government has spent £4.2bn on no deal planning and no one seems confident in it. 70 lorries in a car parking exercise and a contract to a ferry company with no boats. That’s half of our net annual EU contribution.
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A tariff war would hit GDP's in various countries. Take your point on WTO levels.

The £4.2bn is actually what the Treasury says it has provided for Brexit preparations since 2016. Not all of that money will be spent on getting ready for no deal according to the BBC website.
 
ELLERS said:
BBC: The Republic of Ireland is the fifth biggest customer for UK exports. The UK is the second biggest customer for Irish exports.
I heard yesterday that Ireland exports 70% of lamb/beef and milk to UK? (I think that's correct). Can you imagine if we decided to get beef from Argentina or somewhere else without all these EU tariffs? I wonder how long it would take Mr Aardvark to go knocking on the door of his mates in Brussels?
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Wouldn’t it be even better if we just produced our own beef, lamb and milk?
 
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ELLERS said:
BBC: The Republic of Ireland is the fifth biggest customer for UK exports. The UK is the second biggest customer for Irish exports.
I heard yesterday that Ireland exports 70% of lamb/beef and milk to UK? (I think that's correct). Can you imagine if we decided to get beef from Argentina or somewhere else without all these EU tariffs? I wonder how long it would take Mr Aardvark to go knocking on the door of his mates in Brussels?
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Yes, I believe that figure of 70% is correct. Ireland have already told the EU that if there is a no-deal, it will be looking for EU grants.. Where's the money going to come from? Huge pressures on the EU coming up.
 
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ELLERS said:
BBC: The Republic of Ireland is the fifth biggest customer for UK exports. The UK is the second biggest customer for Irish exports.
I heard yesterday that Ireland exports 70% of lamb/beef and milk to UK? (I think that's correct). Can you imagine if we decided to get beef from Argentina or somewhere else without all these EU tariffs? I wonder how long it would take Mr Aardvark to go knocking on the door of his mates in Brussels?
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I wouldn't trust the Argie beef, more likely to be road kill
 
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sb_73 said:
Wouldn’t it be even better if we just produced our own beef, lamb and milk?
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Absolbloddylutly! Spot on. We must after Brexit start producing more of our own stuff. Rather than seeing farms closing I would like the government to create more. Invest more in Manufacturing and industry. I see a big rise in small holdings and I would like to see more local produce.
 
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