Off Topic The Politics Thread

This is why TM won't go against Brexit with posters like this doing the rounds and if you click on the link you will see how they are naming and shaming Tory MP's.

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https://leave.eu/deselect-these-shameful-tory-mps/

 

The article about budget cuts is really interesting, Ellers. This, plus the huge vote against May's deal, must concentrate minds on the Continent. It's easy for the 27 to stay united when all they have to turn up and listen to Barnier. But when large grants member countries were expecting and had budgeted for are not now available, it's another matter. And Remainers expect us to believe the 27 will all sit with arms firmly crossed and say "We don't care about the money, we won't move an inch"? I don't think so.

 

They can make it up by slamming big tariffs on our exports

 

And we reciprocate. Countries like Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands and yes, Germany, would be hit hard

 

And this also confirms that they are worried:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/euro...t-fear-breakup-eu-105508089.html?guccounter=1
I did have a fab article on some of the smaller western EU countries that would be hit hard but bloody lost it.
Anyway it basically said that they rely on UK trade and it could cripple them if there was a problem.
Said all along they will back down at some point.

 

Yes, but it’s the companies that pay, the cash goes into government/EU coffers. Anyway, presumably it would be WTO levels, which aren’t that high except for agricultural stuff, so it was a light hearted comment from me.

Seems to me that the EU is just planning for the potential outcomes. It really is a serious problem for them, shouldn’t be underplayed. So far the UK government has spent £4.2bn on no deal planning and no one seems confident in it. 70 lorries in a car parking exercise and a contract to a ferry company with no boats. That’s half of our net annual EU contribution.

 

BBC: The Republic of Ireland is the fifth biggest customer for UK exports. The UK is the second biggest customer for Irish exports.
I heard yesterday that Ireland exports 70% of lamb/beef and milk to UK? (I think that's correct). Can you imagine if we decided to get beef from Argentina or somewhere else without all these EU tariffs? I wonder how long it would take Mr Aardvark to go knocking on the door of his mates in Brussels?

 

A tariff war would hit GDP's in various countries. Take your point on WTO levels.

The £4.2bn is actually what the Treasury says it has provided for Brexit preparations since 2016. Not all of that money will be spent on getting ready for no deal according to the BBC website.

 

Wouldn’t it be even better if we just produced our own beef, lamb and milk?

 

Yes, I believe that figure of 70% is correct. Ireland have already told the EU that if there is a no-deal, it will be looking for EU grants.. Where's the money going to come from? Huge pressures on the EU coming up.

 

Not knocking Ireland, but the best quality beef comes from Scotland. Best quality lamb from Wales.

 

I wouldn't trust the Argie beef, more likely to be road kill

 

Couldn't agree more

 

Doubt it - very, very high quality. The only thing is I doubt there'd be enough to make up what we'd be losing from the Irish.

 

I will stick to my Aberdeen Angus cheers

 

Absolbloddylutly! Spot on. We must after Brexit start producing more of our own stuff. Rather than seeing farms closing I would like the government to create more. Invest more in Manufacturing and industry. I see a big rise in small holdings and I would like to see more local produce.

 

We'll be able to produce our own chlorinated chicken.

 

And when the Government brings the death penalty back MacDonalds will be able to sell the world's first Manburgers

 

You mean after the death penalty referendum.

 

Christ that'll be a bundle of laughs eh?