Off Topic The Politics Thread

  • Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
  • Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
I agree, this is an incredibly important thing. And, eventually, the politics and international relations side will be resolved. The sad thing is that, however this ends up, whichever ‘side’ wins, the country will be worse off for it, in terms of the way we feel about each other, what it’s like to actually live here. This is about the only place I feel able to talk about Brexit, except when I am asked about it when I’m overseas. I would never mention it down the pub. We are close to the days of Roundheads and Cavaliers, the Red Rose and the White Rose. I don’t think it will get anywhere near violence, but the divides won’t be healed in my lifetime, we distrust each other much more than we distrust the EU.

But probably all these divides were always there and this EU bollocks has just brought them to the surface. The divisions are about have/have not; ethnicity; geography; outlook; aspirations; attitude. In no particular order. The crash of 2008 and the total failure of those in power around the world to address the fault lines in society that this brought to the surface, preferring to prop up a corrupt and moribund system instead, that is our most recent collective cock up, missed opportunity.

I’m ****ing sick of it. It’s hard to admit that the country is a worse place for my kids to make their lives in than it was for me. Because I have contributed, mostly unwittingly, to where we are now. The light at the end of the tunnel is that I know that men like Col, Stainsey, Strolls and DT, and many others who post on here, though they come at things from different angles and I disagree with all of them on some things in different ways, are honest men with a powerful sense of justice, of right and wrong. People you want on your side in a fight. We have to find a way to recognise that we are, actually, all on the same side. In our different ways we all want what’s best for ourselves, our families, our friends, our communities, our country. Joining in with the politicians in running each other down for having different opinions about how to do the best thing drags us down to their self interested, blinkered level.

I’ve had a pretty **** week, but also been hugely bolstered by responses to what has happened to my family both on here and in the ‘real’ world. Empathy is, in my view, the most human and important of emotions, and I have seen a lot of it over the last few days. Let’s keep on trying to put ourselves in other people’s shoes, try to see the world through their eyes. No easy answers, but it helps.

Apologies, not really a response to your post, more a pent up splurge. I have also had most of a bottle of excellent Qu4tre Catalonian red.

No need to apologise Stan, the best post on this thread yet. It shows we can all get on and yet argue amongst ourselves with respect. Shame we've been let down by selfish politicians who are allegedly 'honourable members', they are, frankly, beneath contempt...
 
Oh no Carney is preaching 2012 disaster again. <doh>

On another note I hear the EU says "The British government has the power to unilaterally halt the Brexit process
without needing the approval of the member states"..... :huh:
Hang on did I hear that Correctly?
"without needing the approval of the member states" <yikes>
mmm when it suits them they don't need the approval of all of the EU states.
 
An unelected judge in Brussels gives the UK parliament permission to ignore its own electorate, who voted to prevent unelected men in Brussels ordering what we can and cannot do..
<doh>

I also see Jezza has bottled the head to head with May. I knew when he was being coy with the BBC the other day he would bottle it.
 
More protests planned across France this weekend and French truck drivers planning to go on strike from Sunday at 2200hrs.......jeez I thought this country was in meltdown.
 
We are close to the days of Roundheads and Cavaliers, the Red Rose and the White Rose. I don’t think it will get anywhere near violence, but the divides won’t be healed in my lifetime, we distrust each other much more than we distrust the EU.

I think there will be a fair amount of violence in London on Sunday, Stan.

Pleased to say I’ll be watching a more personal act of violence on that day as my 2 eldest lads are both boxing on the same day.
 
More protests planned across France this weekend and French truck drivers planning to go on strike from Sunday at 2200hrs.......jeez I thought this country was in meltdown.
I only think those comments come from certain people. Italy has big youth unemployment. France is France and will always strike and never change. The rise of far right in Germany Holland Sweden and Co....not to mention the various money problems and poverty in other counties. All we seem to do is moan here but i think we are a lot better of than some.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KPDHoopster
I think there will be a fair amount of violence in London on Sunday, Stan.

Pleased to say I’ll be watching a more personal act of violence on that day as my 2 eldest lads are both boxing on the same day.

UKIP are finished as a party. Farage has distanced himself from them. It won't be long before we see Farage setting up a new party if the will of the people gets over turned.
 
I think there will be a fair amount of violence in London on Sunday, Stan.

Pleased to say I’ll be watching a more personal act of violence on that day as my 2 eldest lads are both boxing on the same day.
What’s going on, some kind of protest? Hopefully not civil war.

Good luck to your lads.
 
An unelected judge in Brussels gives the UK parliament permission to ignore its own electorate, who voted to prevent unelected men in Brussels ordering what we can and cannot do..
You're a well read guy so try to look at some facts about the role and status of an Advocate General in the EU and also about the way Judges are appointed in this country- you'll then recognise the stinking pile of horse manure you've just dropped.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kiwiqpr
You're a well read guy so try to look at some facts about the role and status of an Advocate General in the EU and also about the way Judges are appointed in this country- you'll then recognise the stinking pile of horse manure you've just dropped.
right then
off out to the wifes work do yorkie
if i remember tomorrow i will try and look it up
 
The ****s in parliament are going to keep us in the EU, after promising to implement the referendum result.
It was always going to happen.
****ers!
 
will i find it on the right wing blogosphere or do i have to do some real research
will i find it on the right wing blogosphere or do i have to do some real research
E
will i find it on the right wing blogosphere or do i have to do some real research
Err, No. Nor left wing. It's not a political document. Just google the EC institutions for a factual description of the function of the European Court of Justice and the role within it of the Advocate General. It's like a GCSE grade subject which all who study Law learn and understand very quickly.in their legal education. However just as small children are born innocent and without any prejudices at all that knowledge gets easily corrupted by the parents beliefs and the garbage which masquerades as factual information spewed out by our 'free' press.

As for judges in the UK, they have never been elected. That is why governments of all colours get irritated by them on the occasions when they exercise their independence. I have no doubt that there is some political influence or judgment over their selection as, unfortunately, the head of the MOJ is a politician.

When you've done the homework I set, come back and issue an equally pithy one liner and grovelling apology for getting it wrong and misleading the public (well those of us who participate in this Forum. A recantation and denunciation of the false prophets who fed you that cobblers wouldn't go amiss either!
 
  • Like
Reactions: kiwiqpr