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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    What a complete farce and waste of time. Other countries must look upon us totally bemused.
     
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  2. Sooperhoop

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    I'm losing the will to live...:headbang:
     
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  3. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Seventh word should be Parliament, Ellers. I know that's what you meant. And, yes, it is ominous
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Yes, thanks Goldie I was typing and listening. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  5. DT’s Socks

    DT’s Socks Well-Known Member

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    The Brexit Show was made in the UK
     
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  6. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    I have seen it either, but he probably means parliament has voted to give itself more power. Dominic Grieve had tabled
    an amendment ruling out No Deal.
     
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  7. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    This is what you all thought the EU was denying us isn't it? A sovereign parliament.
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    My old mate IDS has just explained :emoticon-0107-sweat panic over. As he said there is no such thing as a 'no deal' as we would be on WTO which the EU are members. He also said that there would be a free trade deal
     
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  10. qprbeth

    qprbeth Wicked Witch of West12
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    It really doesn't matter what I think or I voted...

    Can I just say...
    I think this whole thing is just &&&&.

    How have we all got ourselves into this mess. ( No I don't want he said this, she said that) ...just saying.. what ever your view.
    Is there a way out?

    Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk
     
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  11. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    I think you'll find it means that whatever the government comes back with after May's deal is defeated, will be amendable. Which makes Norway, or even a People's Vote, more likely. I think it might actually give May a slightly better chance of winning the vote, because the loonies would rather have her deal than risk another referendum.
     
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  12. ELLERS

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    Spot on Beth only today I was saying to someone "how the 2222 did we ever let ourselves get to this". Although it may cause people some distress, actually we are living through something very important in our country's history.
    It will get resolved.
     
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  13. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Actually according to recent polls and talk on various media... Leave would probably win with a bigger margin.
    Although I think it will only make things more complicated. TBH Stroller none of us want to go through that again.
     
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  14. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    Que sera sera, Beth. Anything could happen now. I find it all quite fascinating actually, but that's just me.
     
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  15. GoldhawkRoad

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    MP's are answerable to voters. They can get kicked out at the next general election. MEP's are safe because they're so remote, no one knows what they do.
     
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    If only it hadn't happened!
     
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    I agree, this is an incredibly important thing. And, eventually, the politics and international relations side will be resolved. The sad thing is that, however this ends up, whichever ‘side’ wins, the country will be worse off for it, in terms of the way we feel about each other, what it’s like to actually live here. This is about the only place I feel able to talk about Brexit, except when I am asked about it when I’m overseas. I would never mention it down the pub. We are close to the days of Roundheads and Cavaliers, the Red Rose and the White Rose. I don’t think it will get anywhere near violence, but the divides won’t be healed in my lifetime, we distrust each other much more than we distrust the EU.

    But probably all these divides were always there and this EU bollocks has just brought them to the surface. The divisions are about have/have not; ethnicity; geography; outlook; aspirations; attitude. In no particular order. The crash of 2008 and the total failure of those in power around the world to address the fault lines in society that this brought to the surface, preferring to prop up a corrupt and moribund system instead, that is our most recent collective cock up, missed opportunity.

    I’m ****ing sick of it. It’s hard to admit that the country is a worse place for my kids to make their lives in than it was for me. Because I have contributed, mostly unwittingly, to where we are now. The light at the end of the tunnel is that I know that men like Col, Stainsey, Strolls and DT, and many others who post on here, though they come at things from different angles and I disagree with all of them on some things in different ways, are honest men with a powerful sense of justice, of right and wrong. People you want on your side in a fight. We have to find a way to recognise that we are, actually, all on the same side. In our different ways we all want what’s best for ourselves, our families, our friends, our communities, our country. Joining in with the politicians in running each other down for having different opinions about how to do the best thing drags us down to their self interested, blinkered level.

    I’ve had a pretty **** week, but also been hugely bolstered by responses to what has happened to my family both on here and in the ‘real’ world. Empathy is, in my view, the most human and important of emotions, and I have seen a lot of it over the last few days. Let’s keep on trying to put ourselves in other people’s shoes, try to see the world through their eyes. No easy answers, but it helps.

    Apologies, not really a response to your post, more a pent up splurge. I have also had most of a bottle of excellent Qu4tre Catalonian red.
     
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    why would a second referendum be a peoples vote
    isnt that what the first vote was
    or was that the people that could be bothered to vote vote
     
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  20. DT’s Socks

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