Off Topic The Politics Thread

Sadly, there lies the problem, our politicians are so bloody incompetent and pursuing their own agendas they have totally f*cked up and complicated what should have been a straightforward process. This incompetence has emboldened the EU to make ever more ridiculous demands of our exit to the point of us being tied to them without the membership benefits.

You, like many, are so pro EU you exaggerate everything to cheerlead. The truth is somewhere between the two sides and that is why it is so divisive. The bottom line is there was a vote, someone won and ever since the losers just can't accept it. Just trying to label those they don't agree with as racists, thickos etc shows why this will never be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

Donald Trump may be a complete arsehole as a person but I guarantee if he'd been negotiating Brexit he'd have triggered Article 50 the day after the vote and we'd be out by now on better terms than we'll ever get...

 

If a CEO picks his next level down well, and they do the same, they shouldn’t have much to do. This bloke was around when things were flying, his only job was not to **** it up by fiddling with it. The next chap in had much harder business conditions, took some mad bets on dodgy science, had to make big cuts to the organisation twice.....and still survived to retire at the time of his choice. He was a good bloke.

Juncker is accountable to the Council of Ministers ie the elected leaders of the 27/8. But let’s not get back in to this crap, I will concede he is a disaster and the Council have managed him very poorly.

 

So are you telling me our failure to get a Brexit deal isn't down to juncker but his army of bureaucrats who are making decisions?

 

I think we agree. Many say that Selmayr is the real power now. Grandson of a senior Nazi and utterly ruthless, he's not called The Beast for nothing

 

I'm referring to Stan's original post and I'm saying that Juncker is an old soak who doesn't justify his salary and whose responsibilities, conduct and performance cannot be compared to CEO's of the top 100 public companies

 

From everything I have seen and read Selmayr is a complete ****, but the Nazi link is irrelevant and beneath you, unless there is evidence that he is a Nazi. Keep it clean. Pretty sure that if you looked into my family history there would be a few horse thieves and pickpockets in there. No Tory voters though.

 

It's a fact. How can a fact be dirty? He's a public servant annd heritage is interesting. Are you saying that if Nigel Farage's grandpa was a Nazi, it would be out of bounds to discuss it?

 

Not out of bounds but it would be a cheapshot. (Which the media love)

Still doesn't matter how **** a CEO is. They still reap their millions (see every failed company there was).

 

The UK and it's workers will be Financially better off IN the EU, That much is obvious as admitted by Dimwit Farage and Dopey Boris and Gove who only want to leave before march next year so they dont have to pay billions in back taxes from offshore accounts that the Tories remarkably introduced the white paper that gave parliament a vote to end millionaires putting billions in foreign banks not to pay taxes on it........The biggest offender is Rees-Mogg who has a vast amount of money scattered everywhere including Russia of all places.......Well done to those who make a vast sum of money but dont rip off this country especially if you live in the UK and reap the benefits of being a well rewarded MP....Pay your Taxes like the rest of us have to do.....Just look at the damage this lot have done already and what they are still doing and it is for their own benefit and greed, The rest of us gain nothing, zero, zilch but we are the ones losing thousands of jobs and have to put up with continuing price rises on everything. Your annual holidays abroad are set to rise an average of £200 per person says the airlines and you will have to apply for a visa and should you have any sort of a criminal record then you most likely be refused......There is so much to lose with no gains and there are still idiots willing to listen and be conned by the right wing........If they win with a no deal then we will be dead and buried...

 

Not a cheapshot if Selmayr is so without scruples that he starts behaving with Nazi like mentality. I'm sure if he worked behind the counter at a cancer cure charity, the issue would not arise. His own people call him The Beast.

In the past, there has been the occasional case where a Board rewarded a CEO for failure. Institutional shareholders are hot on that now. It's now "perform or you're out on your ear"

 

It would be of general interest, but irrelevant in judging the character of of the grandson unless there was some proven link. Winston Churchill’s dad was (probably) syphilitic, do we judge Churchill on that? Surprised you are fighting on this one Goldie, let’s leave it, no joy to be had here.

 

If Churchill was found to going out at night procuring prostitutes, the link with Randolph would be made, sure it would.

 

Selective criticism of one man to me doesn’t mean the entire EU
Pick a English MP to knock it’s a easy game

 

I don't think there will be an extension to Article 50 - what's more likely is we will agree the Implementation Period and sign up to even more convergence to cover what we are not ready for in March 2019. Neither party would want to extend Art 50 as they've both ruled it out before.

But, rather than shooting the messenger, I'm agreeing all be it that they'll use a different mechanism.

 

Funny you say that. Met a guy the other day in my local who was the most rabid anti EU person I have ever encountered. He was selling the Socialist Worker

 

police were quick into action

of course it might have just been a traffic accident

 

Maybe not.....

Westminster crash: Raids after suspected terror attack - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45189831

 

It’s true mate, not all ‘Lefties’ are pro-EU.....in fact many on the far left are very anti-EU.

 

Ah I know that - I hardly had Dennis Skinner or Austin Mitchell down as right wingers!

 

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