The latest off throttle blown diffuser ban
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Well you know what i mean. Im going to it but not too keen on getting drenched but would love to see a repeat of 2008 if i do have to brave the 'weather'.
Ohhh
I see now, thanks. Its just i saw it on Autosport saying it could be raining. Forgot about the other thread, sorry.
More lies from Newey, then. "I'm slightly baffled by it [the regulation change] because it had been declared legal forever up until this race." Disingenuous. Movable aerodynamic devices have been illegal for a very long time. You can't help but admire Newey but it's impossible to like him when he continues to spit his dummy like this.
Shouldn't this be in the 'BBC is ****' thread? "New regulations which come into force for this weekend's British Grand Prix..." What new regulations?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14035942.stm
Adrian Newey says that RBR may actually be the biggest casualties from the ban on Hot Blown Exhausts. Now i didn't think red bull actually used hot air to blow the floor. I assumed that they would benefit from this ban, as they were only cold blowing their car, so in retrospect they actually were at a disadvantage in relation to the other teams. Maybe they were lying, it wouldn't be the first time a team has lied about their cars specification...
Adrian Newey says that RBR may actually be the biggest casualties from the ban on Hot Blown Exhausts. Now i didn't think red bull actually used hot air to blow the floor. I assumed that they would benefit from this ban, as they were only cold blowing their car, so in retrospect they actually were at a disadvantage in relation to the other teams. Maybe they were lying, it wouldn't be the first time a team has lied about their cars specification...
Genji:
You beat me to it. I was about to write in response to Forza's comment that I feel Newey's comments are little more than throwing out bait to confuse and baffle, and thereby keep others off the scent.
Disingenuous perhaps but very much part of the game…
You beat me to it. I was about to write in response to Forza's comment that I feel Newey's comments are little more than throwing out bait to confuse and baffle, and thereby keep others off the scent.
Disingenuous perhaps but very much part of the game…
Adrian newey feels that red bull will lose the most time. Either that's a precautionary statement, in case vettel doesn't win, or he knows something about that car that we don't. I feel that renault will lose the most time, they were blowing the entire floor.
So why didn't the Virgin/McLaren and Williams/Renault threads have to be merged with the original Virgin/McLaren/Williams/Renault thread?Sorry
Had to be moved
If the RBs now find themselves consistently down the grid and Vettel loses out on the championship will it all be put down the the off throttle ban and not the skill of the eventual winner?
I would hope not. It depends how it all unfolds but I think that, in that unlikely scenario, I'd be more critical of Red Bull for having initially gained such a significant advantage by illegal means.
So the flip side of the coin is; would it taint last years championship? It was Valencia last year when RB introduced it and from then on Vettel got all but one of his wins, which like this season he won from the front row.
I have considered that and it's more difficult to judge. As I understand it they weren't quite as aggressive with the system last season. Button has suggested that the Red Bull is on 100% throttle for the entirety of a qualifying lap and this accounts, in part, for Vettel's superiority over Webber this year (someone posted a link to a good explanation of why Webber and Vettel were pretty equal with last year's system, but the more aggressive approach this year has reduced the effect of driver control, which is partly why Vettel's so far ahead, but I can't find it now). I think the system was wrong last year for the same reasons I think it's wrong this year, but I don't think it had as great an effect on any of the teams who ran it nor on the relative performance levels between them. I suppose I'd question last year's achievements if Red Bull alone lose performance massively from now on but at the moment I don't think that's likely.
I guess we'll find out in the next few days. Given the press and praise Vettel has had over the last year I'd like to see him down the pack and fight up to the podium, however, given that he only became good when what is essentially a driver aid was introduced and steadily perfected I don't think he's going to be able to live upto the hype he has received so far. Or it may just be a big coincidence ;-)
I think this is going a bit far Genji. It was not illegal.
As the rules stood, it was allowed because it was legal.
It is the recent, subsequent ruling which now makes it illegal; regardless of what provoked it. And like any reasonably invoked law, which comes into place for whatever reason - including patching a loop-hole; it can never be, and is not retrospective.
Cosicave,
You are correct with the reference to law, however, in this case it is a bad example to draw. The regulation which is banning the use of off throttle blown diffusers has been in place since the begining of the season as the FIA are stating article 3.15 of the technical regulations as the reason for banning off throttle blown diffusers, and this is merely a clarification. Under law claiming ingnorance over the interpretation of the law is no defence.
However, this interpretation is quiet vauge and doesn't quite work as the wording of the regulation "any car system, device or procedure which uses, or is suspected of using, driver movement as a means of altering the aerodynamic characteristics of the car is prohibited" lends itself more to banning ON throttle blown diffusers. From a regulatory point of view ANY blowing of the diffuser should be banned by article 3.15.
As a side note article 5.5.2 "Designs which allow specific points along the pedal travel range to be identified by the driver or assist him to hold a position are not permitted." could have more effectively banned off throttle blown diffusers as using the ECU to keep the throttle open could be deemd to be an aid to the driver by design or system.
You are correct with the reference to law, however, in this case it is a bad example to draw. The regulation which is banning the use of off throttle blown diffusers has been in place since the begining of the season as the FIA are stating article 3.15 of the technical regulations as the reason for banning off throttle blown diffusers, and this is merely a clarification. Under law claiming ingnorance over the interpretation of the law is no defence.
However, this interpretation is quiet vauge and doesn't quite work as the wording of the regulation "any car system, device or procedure which uses, or is suspected of using, driver movement as a means of altering the aerodynamic characteristics of the car is prohibited" lends itself more to banning ON throttle blown diffusers. From a regulatory point of view ANY blowing of the diffuser should be banned by article 3.15.
As a side note article 5.5.2 "Designs which allow specific points along the pedal travel range to be identified by the driver or assist him to hold a position are not permitted." could have more effectively banned off throttle blown diffusers as using the ECU to keep the throttle open could be deemd to be an aid to the driver by design or system.
I disagree, cosi. After all, no regulations have been added or amended to make this illegal where it was previously legal. The rules are exactly the same now as they were at the beginning of the season.