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Frazier the Lion said:
Assuming you aren't being facetious, it's societal health, education, defence, innovation, food security, social security. It's basically everything. Talking specifically about farming does a future UK have the luxury of being able to care about family farms? Or is it just important that someone farms the land - even if it is industrial farming by a faceless conglomerate? Do we even need to have a farming sector if we can import food securely at much cheaper prices? It's a nice thought that we can maintain aspects of what went before, but we don't go down the pits or build ships any more. Fundamentally, what is the most viable future for an island nation that no longer has the military might to impose its will on the RoW?
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Very rarely facetious. Never post anything that I don't know to be fact, or haven't tried to verify. Try to always differentiate between opinion and fact. Never exaggerate. I'm always happy to have a sensible discussion.

Genuinely wanted to know what you were referring to. Some interesting points. I'm not sure I entirely agree but I do believe societal change is required. Personally, I think its is attitudes that need to change, rather than anything else. Obviously though, as time passes some industries become obsolete.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
It's mostly the suggestion that these activities cause that result, rather than the far more plausible explanation of poverty, wage inequality and the gradual transfer of resources from the poorest to the richest. Shadowy global groups malignly shaping the future of society behind a veil of secrecy is virtually always the refuge of absolute ****ing woo-woos
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There's literally no woo-woo involved, it's the path paved with good intentions as always.
 
Frazier the Lion said:
Assuming you aren't being facetious, it's societal health, education, defence, innovation, food security, social security. It's basically everything. Talking specifically about farming does a future UK have the luxury of being able to care about family farms? Or is it just important that someone farms the land - even if it is industrial farming by a faceless conglomerate? Do we even need to have a farming sector if we can import food securely at much cheaper prices? It's a nice thought that we can maintain aspects of what went before, but we don't go down the pits or build ships any more. Fundamentally, what is the most viable future for an island nation that no longer has the military might to impose its will on the RoW?
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I am a bit fed up of thinking we can import things so we could or should. That mentality has in part led to our lack of control over our own economy. We produce some of the best natural ingrdients available in my opinion. I like nice food. I would sooner eat beef, lamb, pork etc from my local area that I can see the provonence of.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
So that’s a £4m farm then. So given she can gift to her daughters and not pay a penny of tax (if that’s below a threshold or more than 7 years prior to her death) then I’m sure she can find a way to alleviate things - particularly given her current age. Besides, 50k a year tax on an £4m asset doesn’t sound egregious to me.
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£50k a year IT on top of other taxes and costs to maintain is extortion, that farm could be taking in less than £100k a year. These are hardworking people who play a critical role in feeding the UK.

This labour government really have hit home with politics of envy, some of you should move to China you’d enjoy it in a communist state :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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FellTop said:
I am a bit fed up of thinking we can import things so we could or should. That mentality has in part led to our lack of control over our own economy. We produce some of the best natural ingrdients available in my opinion. I like nice food. I would sooner eat beef, lamb, pork etc from my local area that I can see the provonence of.
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Everyone likes nice food. There’s plenty who don’t have the luxury of being able to afford it.
 
WorkyTicketFTM said:
£50k a year IT on top of other taxes and costs to maintain is extortion, that farm could be taking in less than £100k a year. These are hardworking people who play a critical role in feeding the UK.

This labour government really have hit home with politics of envy, some of you should move to China you’d enjoy it in a communist state :emoticon-0102-bigsm
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The politics of envy. Or ‘fairness’ as it’s also known:emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
The politics of envy. Or ‘fairness’ as it’s also known:emoticon-0102-bigsm
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What’s fair about inheritance tax? The whole thing is a shambles let alone taxing a working farm, again.

If you purchase a £1m property on a 30 year mortgage, with £850k of it being mortgaged realistically you’re going to pay about £1.5m, so £650k “tax”. Why should your child have to take out a mortgage again on that property again when you die?

Personally I hope they just drive the prices of everyday essentials up so the envious are stung even harder.

Fair play for sticking your guns on voting Labour and not admitting you’re a laughing stock yet, I’m sure it won’t take much longer.
 
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Frazier the Lion said:
Everyone likes nice food. There’s plenty who don’t have the luxury of being able to afford it.
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Of course not. But if I lose my eligibility to buy my food from local sources, and I have worked hard for a long time to be able to afford to do so, because we lose another national industry, then I will be quite upset. Local independant retailers, if allowed to flourish, serve a purpose. Much like supermarkets who import cheaper alternatives for those who need / prefer them.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
What’s fair about inheritance tax? The whole thing is a shambles let alone taxing a working farm, again.

If you purchase a £1m property on a 30 year mortgage, with £850k of it being mortgaged realistically you’re going to pay about £1.5m, so £650k “tax”. Why should your child have to take out a mortgage again on that property again when you die?

Personally I hope they just drive the prices of everyday essentials up so the envious are stung even harder.

Fair play for sticking your guns on voting Labour and not admitting you’re a laughing stock yet, I’m sure it won’t take much longer.
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Aye lad. I'm sure you'll see plenty of trickledown for your unswerving loyalty.
 
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FellTop said:
Of course not. But if I lose my eligibility to buy my food from local sources, and I have worked hard for a long time to be able to afford to do so, because we lose another national industry, then I will be quite upset. Local independant retailers, if allowed to flourish, serve a purpose. Much like supermarkets who import cheaper alternatives for those who need / prefer them.
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The worst thing is these idiots don’t realise who will buy up the farms if local farmers are priced out. Because a working class bloke won’t stumping up millions to do it.
 
FellTop said:
Of course not. But if I lose my eligibility to buy my food from local sources, and I have worked hard for a long time to be able to afford to do so, because we lose another national industry, then I will be quite upset. Local independant retailers, if allowed to flourish, serve a purpose. Much like supermarkets who import cheaper alternatives for those who need / prefer them.
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It'd be a shame, but if there are people still willing to pay a premium I'm sure the market will sustain. The point is choice and provision. Insisting on everything being grown locally can only reduce choice and push up prices.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
The worst thing is these idiots don’t realise who will buy up the farms if local farmers are priced out. Because a working class bloke won’t stumping up millions to do it.
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My fear is if farms do fail then govt will shift rules again to allow residential building on it. Particularly those where reaidential areas have already grown outward to the borders of agricultural land.
 
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Washysafc said:
Simple solution make her daughters equal partners in the farm now. That way only 1/3rd of its value will be within her estate when she dies. If the farm is worth £4m her share is £1.33m. She has her personal IHT allowance plus the £1m farm allowance, this should mean there will no tax liability.
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Unless she dies soon…

Point taken, though <ok>
 
There’s always at least 250k long term homes standing empty in England. Nobody should be worrying that we aren’t turning more of our countryside into housing estates.
 
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