The EU debate - Part III

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Tobes said:
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The entire issue is down to the lack of social or affordable housing. It's an accepted fact that immigration adds to the economy and yet the Govt has failed to invest in the infrastructure to cope with the growth, combined with not covering the ever decreasing amount of social housing due to right to buy.

The issues haven't been tackled as there's been no political will to, not because the issues were insurmountable. Instead of channelling cash where it's most needed we're going to spew cash away on Trident and a vanity project like HS2.

The issues could easily be remedied, but the simple fact is that they've failed to make it a political priority and instead have allowed the right to point the finger of blame at immigrants which in my view is political cowardice
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I partly agree with you, but we need a deterrent, because sine we have nukes we are not likely will be attacked by any nation.
With HS2, Its a nice thing to have but the cost is silly, but we need more capacity on lines so why not build a new normal line at a reduced cost?
 
Custard wins everytime said:
I partly agree with you, but we need a deterrent, because sine we have nukes we are not likely will be attacked by any nation.
With HS2, Its a nice thing to have but the cost is silly, but we need more capacity on lines so why not build a new normal line at a reduced cost?
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Do you not think we'd get by without nukes? I think the US threatening to nuke anyone who nuked us would be enough of a deterrent. Then again with May in charge, Trump might go for us himself.
 
So we're now heading for a Brexit with freedom of movement and paying for entry to the single market?
What's the ****ing point in that, then? What advantage does that have over our current position?
 
Custard wins everytime said:
I partly agree with you, but we need a deterrent, because sine we have nukes we are not likely will be attacked by any nation.
With HS2, Its a nice thing to have but the cost is silly, but we need more capacity on lines so why not build a new normal line at a reduced cost?
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We've got nukes, and the Shermans have enough to blow up the entire planet 3 times over. Whilst NATO remains intact, there is simply no need for us to upgrade our nuclear weapons imo.
 
Custard wins everytime said:
Freedom of movement will stop, it will be a limited amount. which is all what a lot of people wanted.
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It won't. However the compromise will be that the benefits system will be changed further to allow for free movement for work, but not without out, unless you can support yourself financially. That's where this will end up, and there's a political will for that across the more powerful EU nations imo, and in fairness it's what the original Lisbon treaty says anyway.
 
Tobes said:
It won't. However the compromise will be that the benefits system will be changed further to allow for free movement for work, but not without out, unless you can support yourself financially. That's where this will end up, and there's a political will for that across the more powerful EU nations imo, and in fairness it's what the original Lisbon treaty says anyway.
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Thats would help, but it can easily be changed by what ever government is in power, for good or bad
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Correlation does not equal causation.
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Absolutely, and there is another issue too: I'm pretty sure my dog thinks wearing a coat makes his feet cold. They are definitely heavily correlated and that is actually due to causation - they are both caused by the same thing - low temperatures outside.

A lot of the alt-right nonsence deliberately confuses the cause and the effect.
 
Custard wins everytime said:
I partly agree with you, but we need a deterrent, because sine we have nukes we are not likely will be attacked by any nation.
With HS2, Its a nice thing to have but the cost is silly, but we need more capacity on lines so why not build a new normal line at a reduced cost?
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One thing that no-one seems to understand is that new railway lines are cheaper per journey if they are high speed because they have much greater capacity as the trains can fit in a lot more journeys.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
So we're now heading for a Brexit with freedom of movement and paying for entry to the single market?
What's the ****ing point in that, then? What advantage does that have over our current position?
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freedom of movement?
we haven't even started negotiations so I don't see how you can say that
 
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