The EU debate - Part III

[steveninaster1]

My brother's goes out to Dubai regularly as part of his job. He was telling me that if you have an driving accident in Dubai it is automatically your fault regardless. The assertion being that as a foreigner, if you weren't in the country then the accident would never have happened !

. I don't think I saw an Arab driving tbh. I was amazed how few Arabs there were, they were outnumbered by tourists.
I think the police were Arab. I saw one police Lambo.

 

[armchairblue]

Saudi & Kuwait were the two worst when I used to go out to the ME on business. The way they treat so called fellow Muslims from places like Pakistan and Bangladesh is appalling. No better than slaves who are there to serve them.

I'll just say my opinion of them can't get any lower!...

Don't lots of arabs carry on like that,and indians come to that.Have you ever been speaking english with two indians,
then out of the blue they start speaking punjab or whatever.How rude is that?

 

[DMD]

Don't lots of arabs carry on like that,and indians come to that.Have you ever been speaking english with two indians,
then out of the blue they start speaking punjab or whatever.How rude is that?

Dyna Abertawe ar eich cyfer chi.

 

[NSIS]

My brother's goes out to Dubai regularly as part of his job. He was telling me that if you have an driving accident in Dubai it is automatically your fault regardless. The assertion being that as a foreigner, if you weren't in the country then the accident would never have happened !

Correct!

If it happens, get straight to the airport and get the **** out of there!..

First plane anywhere sensible!...

 

[NSIS]

Thats ****ing Genius!

You're an infidel, Bod. Piskie's right! Their view is if you weren't there it wouldn't have happened!..

Having said that, I didn't find the attitude in Dubai anywhere near as bad.

 

[armchairblue]

Dyna Abertawe ar eich cyfer chi.

..... good luck with that,whatever it is.

 

[Spurlock]

**** this...I'm not catching up on 64 pages.

Is it as it was?


P.s the Harpoon got sold.

I'll look out for another.

 

[steveninaster1]

You're an infidel, Bod. Piskie's right! Their view is if you weren't there it wouldn't have happened!..

Having said that, I didn't find the attitude in Dubai anywhere near as bad.

I did get the impression that dubai was the more acceptable face of that part of the world but it was still very obvious who was master and servant.
I was taking my father in laws ashes back to India when we stopped there and three of us were of Indian appearance so perhaps I was more conscious of it than most westerners.

 

[PINKIE]

Correct!

If it happens, get straight to the airport and get the **** out of there!..

First plane anywhere sensible!...

Okay, seeing as you have mentioned Dubai and planes I will tell my bother's story about Dubai Air traffic. It's a bit long winded so bear with me:

My brother is an Air Traffic controller, and he's also trains students to become controllers too. The English standard of air traffic is considered to be the best in the world, so my brother often travels abroad to work and deliver training courses. In Dubai he was telling me that he was training a group of students. A theoretical practice they do is to give a scenario and the students have to risk assess to ensure that there is always a safe distance between aircraft. So for example, aircraft A is on the ground awaiting clearance to take off, aircraft B is starting its final descent, aircraft C is holding waiting for clearance to land. My bother would then throw in a set of variables that alters the scenario, so for example a sudden headwind or change of weather, priority call, emergency technical issue etc and the students have work out how to maintain a safe distance between the aircraft.

So, he is going along this line and the students are correctly managing the changing scenarios, until faced with a set of multiples one of the students earnestly says :

'In that situation it is Inshallah (God willing)'.
My Brother says 'What do you mean ?'
The student replies 'If I were faced with that many scenarios then it wouldn't make any difference what I did, because the will of God would be stronger than any measure I could implement'
My bothers says 'You don't understand, you can't do that, it's your job to make sure that you have a plan to maintain a safe distance',
The student replies 'No, you don't understand. No matter what I do in that situation, my influence will not be as strong as the will of God, therefore it is pointless for me to even do anything'
My brother says 'You can't do that, you have to have a plan to manage the situation'
The student says 'My plan will make no difference, because in that scenario, the will of God will be stronger, therefore it is irrelevant what I do'

 

[Tobes]

I did get the impression that dubai was the more acceptable face of that part of the world but it was still very obvious who was master and servant.
I was taking my father in laws ashes back to India when we stopped there and three of us were of Indian appearance so perhaps I was more conscious of it than most westerners.

It's a hideous place mate, a marble and glass Marbs on steroids.

The kind of expat who lives and works over there are in the main the absolute dregs of the greed culture imo
Sell your soul for tax free cash and kid yourself on that the lifestyle is some form of utopia, there's some truly sad ****s living in that place. They obviously turn a blind one to the cruel and inhumane underbelly that is not hard to spot.

 

[NSIS]

**** this...I'm not catching up on 64 pages.

Is it as it was?


P.s the Harpoon got sold.

I'll look out for another.

Just a quick discussion about the Saudis, mostly. I've been out here on business and the way they treat so called ' brother muslims' from poorer countries, like Bangladesh, is appalling.

Okay, seeing as you have mentioned Dubai and planes I will tell my bother's story about Dubai Air traffic. It's a bit long winded so bear with me:

My brother is an Air Traffic controller, and he's also trains students to become controllers too. The English standard of air traffic is considered to be the best in the world, so my brother often travels abroad to work and deliver training courses. In Dubai he was telling me that he was training a group of students. A theoretical practice they do is to give a scenario and the students have to risk assess to ensure that there is always a safe distance between aircraft. So for example, aircraft A is on the ground awaiting clearance to take off, aircraft B is starting its final descent, aircraft C is holding waiting for clearance to land. My bother would then throw in a set of variables that alters the scenario, so for example a sudden headwind or change of weather, priority call, emergency technical issue etc and the students have work out how to maintain a safe distance between the aircraft.

So, he is going along this line and the students are correctly managing the changing scenarios, until faced with a set of multiples one of the students earnestly says :

'In that situation it is Inshallah (God willing)'.
My Brother says 'What do you mean ?'
The student replies 'If I were faced with that many scenarios then it wouldn't make any difference what I did, because the will of God would be stronger than any measure I could implement'
My bothers says 'You don't understand, you can't do that, it's your job to make sure that you have a plan to maintain a safe distance',
The student replies 'No, you don't understand. No matter what I do in that situation, my influence will not be as strong as the will of God, therefore it is pointless for me to even do anything'
My brother says 'You can't do that, you have to have a plan to manage the situation'
The student says 'My plan will make no difference, because in that scenario, the will of God will be stronger, therefore it is irrelevant what I do'

I'm glad I didn't know that when j used to fly out there

 

[Bodinki]

Okay, seeing as you have mentioned Dubai and planes I will tell my bother's story about Dubai Air traffic. It's a bit long winded so bear with me:

My brother is an Air Traffic controller, and he's also trains students to become controllers too. The English standard of air traffic is considered to be the best in the world, so my brother often travels abroad to work and deliver training courses. In Dubai he was telling me that he was training a group of students. A theoretical practice they do is to give a scenario and the students have to risk assess to ensure that there is always a safe distance between aircraft. So for example, aircraft A is on the ground awaiting clearance to take off, aircraft B is starting its final descent, aircraft C is holding waiting for clearance to land. My bother would then throw in a set of variables that alters the scenario, so for example a sudden headwind or change of weather, priority call, emergency technical issue etc and the students have work out how to maintain a safe distance between the aircraft.

So, he is going along this line and the students are correctly managing the changing scenarios, until faced with a set of multiples one of the students earnestly says :

'In that situation it is Inshallah (God willing)'.
My Brother says 'What do you mean ?'
The student replies 'If I were faced with that many scenarios then it wouldn't make any difference what I did, because the will of God would be stronger than any measure I could implement'
My bothers says 'You don't understand, you can't do that, it's your job to make sure that you have a plan to maintain a safe distance',
The student replies 'No, you don't understand. No matter what I do in that situation, my influence will not be as strong as the will of God, therefore it is pointless for me to even do anything'
My brother says 'You can't do that, you have to have a plan to manage the situation'
The student says 'My plan will make no difference, because in that scenario, the will of God will be stronger, therefore it is irrelevant what I do'

I hope to **** he is never in the control tower when my plane is landing!

 

[steveninaster1]

I hope to **** he is never in the control tower when my plane is landing!

Sounds a bit like Brexit to me.

Can't beat a bit of blind faith.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Ford moved with the help of EU money
Cadburys move with help of EU money
same will happen with Toyota and Honda, so the UK gov will offer lower corp tax to offset any tariffs

... we can't go much lower ...to do so would see us fall foul of controlled foreign corporation rules in many jurisdictions which is wholly unattractive to multinationals... not because it necessary alters the tax ultimately payable but because it generates considerable administration and professional adviser costs ...

 

[Spurlock]

Just a quick discussion about the Saudis, mostly. I've been out here on business and the way they treat so called ' brother muslims' from poorer countries, like Bangladesh, is appalling.


I'm glad I didn't know that when j used to fly out there

I couldn't agree more about the Saudis. They treat them like ****. You can't buy property there unless it is under co ownership of a native. You can marry a Saudi woman and all future investments are to be on her name. Just a few of the examples I know of. I've been there myself. Went to Jeddah for a month.

****s.

 

[FosseFilberto]

... they also get irrationally enraged if you bang the Emirates air stewardesses in flight and wipe your dick on their immaculate uniforms ... ***** .. I paid 'business' class for fcuk sake ...

 

[Spurlock]

Okay, seeing as you have mentioned Dubai and planes I will tell my bother's story about Dubai Air traffic. It's a bit long winded so bear with me:

My brother is an Air Traffic controller, and he's also trains students to become controllers too. The English standard of air traffic is considered to be the best in the world, so my brother often travels abroad to work and deliver training courses. In Dubai he was telling me that he was training a group of students. A theoretical practice they do is to give a scenario and the students have to risk assess to ensure that there is always a safe distance between aircraft. So for example, aircraft A is on the ground awaiting clearance to take off, aircraft B is starting its final descent, aircraft C is holding waiting for clearance to land. My bother would then throw in a set of variables that alters the scenario, so for example a sudden headwind or change of weather, priority call, emergency technical issue etc and the students have work out how to maintain a safe distance between the aircraft.

So, he is going along this line and the students are correctly managing the changing scenarios, until faced with a set of multiples one of the students earnestly says :

'In that situation it is Inshallah (God willing)'.
My Brother says 'What do you mean ?'
The student replies 'If I were faced with that many scenarios then it wouldn't make any difference what I did, because the will of God would be stronger than any measure I could implement'
My bothers says 'You don't understand, you can't do that, it's your job to make sure that you have a plan to maintain a safe distance',
The student replies 'No, you don't understand. No matter what I do in that situation, my influence will not be as strong as the will of God, therefore it is pointless for me to even do anything'
My brother says 'You can't do that, you have to have a plan to manage the situation'
The student says 'My plan will make no difference, because in that scenario, the will of God will be stronger, therefore it is irrelevant what I do'

For me its people like that who make a mockery of faith..let me assure you that that is not the way a Muslim is told to think. That is when people have a holier than thou attitude so much so that they totally warp their own thoughts. Its like the bloke who liked the song, the CD, her smile then ended up obsessed and ****ing himself up.

Examples of this kind of stupidity is given many a time in traditional Islamic teachings. Some folk though are dangerously helpless.

I'll never go to Dubai out of principle. The materialistic bastards. The amount of money they have, they could contribute to the world in so many ways. Instead they bring to us ****ty palm tree shaped fake islands.


Just saying.

 

[Stan]

My brother's goes out to Dubai regularly as part of his job. He was telling me that if you have an driving accident in Dubai it is automatically your fault regardless. The assertion being that as a foreigner, if you weren't in the country then the accident would never have happened !

Could be included as a policy for The Sensible Party.

 

[Stan]

Dubai is a ****ing hideous place. I thought that in 2001 when it still had some semblance of an Arab soul. Since then it's gradually got even worse and when I went (for the last time) in 2015 it was obvious that it's beyond repair.

Never been to Saudi, never will.

Go to Oman, beautiful country, lovely people.

 

[PINKIE]

For me its people like that who make a mockery of faith..let me assure you that that is not the way a Muslim is told to think. That is when people have a holier than thou attitude so much so that they totally warp their own thoughts. Its like the bloke who liked the song, the CD, her smile then ended up obsessed and ****ing himself up.

Examples of this kind of stupidity is given many a time in traditional Islamic teachings. Some folk though are dangerously helpless.

I'll never go to Dubai out of principle. The materialistic bastards. The amount of money they have, they could contribute to the world in so many ways. Instead they bring to us ****ty palm tree shaped fake islands.


Just saying.

Yep, totally agree. I wasn't posting it as a criticism of Islam more just the ludicrous nature of blind faith. All faiths do this to a degree in my opinion, but I would have thought that even if you have a faith, then surely the best way to interpret a situation like this is to think 'God gave me a brain, I'd best use it !'