The EU debate - Part III

What does any of this have to do with the initial point I made?

How many black police are involved in stop and searches?

There are plenty of black people and groups saying that issues raised by groups like black lives matter, which this falls in to, create far more victims than the things they complain about.

Just calling 'racist' doesn't address the issues.

 

I restrict myself to discussion rather than demonstration usually but I do think its not a good idea to search people in this manner. It's a rather lazy response to others' criminal activity which is probably quite ineffective in preventing crime. When I went to matches in the sixties police used to escort away fans to and from the station. I think that was quite an effective way of selecting for travelling supporters to be violent as sensible ones would not wish to be subject to such an indignity.

 

Zero substance. Sad!

 

Black Lives Matter actually had a point in the US, but it was hijacked by a small number of idiots and a larger group of opportunists.
The issues that they raised didn't create victims, though. You're just being an apologist for racists.
This is part of the rather disturbing alt-right stuff that you keep echoing.

A lot of people simply don't like being called out on their poor behaviour.
They cry about it and try to fling **** back the other way.
"No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet."

Trying to stop people from raising legitimate concerns and issues is not constructive.

 

The level of violence from supporters when no attempt was made meant that the police had to be more proactive.
Now fans can mingle together - except for at West Ham - it's a lot better atmosphere.

 

Black lives matter are largely discredited, even by blacks, because they the fact that the bulk of black deaths are by other blacks, and it is that crime that the Police are trying to protect them from.

My claim was that calling racist adds nothing to a discussion. You offered stop and search as some sort of response, which suggest that you think 'racist' is an appropriate cry, yet you ignore my question on how many black police officers are involved in stop and search. To help you, I posted the view of black police officers, which seems to conflict with the racist claim.

You can claim it's flawed, but simply calling it racist misses a lot of the issue, and isn't constructive.

Calling racist, is as meaningless as you trying to call my position as being a racist apologist, when I'm arguing for more support in what would be largely black areas, but your focus would limit that.

 

You should learn how to tag properly, and then once you've done that, perhaps you can respond to my post rather than just announcing a crushing victory over me...

I wouldn't call it lifting the veil, I think once one person steps forward, the rest become more confident. I know it's hard for some of you to accept differing views, it's much easier to just label people racist and whatnot rather than refute what they say with honest reasoning, facts and statistics.

 

There were some instances where police over reacted and shot black people dead but in the vast majority of cases the police had little choice because the black man attached them with a dangerous weapon. In a few cases they weren't harmed but they were so powerful the police office wouldn't have had a chance without using his firearm.

 

Don't worry, I'm not one of those people who are shamed into keeping shtum outside of this forum.

 

Do you wear a sandwich board and shout at people outside a supermarket?

 

Black Lives Matter has been discredited for it's actions and some of it's weirder beliefs.
It hasn't been discredited because of black-on-black crime. You can be concerned about both.

I didn't offer Stop and Search at all, let alone as a response to anything.
Quoting a police organisation saying that the actions of the police are fine really isn't a response to it, though.
I didn't even call it racist, for a start. I said that it had been applied in a racist manner.

You keep repeating that calling something racist is meaningless, as though the mantra's supposed to convince me.
It's not meaningless and is often extremely appropriate. It simply doesn't suit racists.

 

No.

 

You're right in your first assertion. The likes of Farage and Trump have given ****s confidence to assert their ****ishness.

I find it easy to accept differing views. I also find it easy to refute your bullshit.
You don't like being labeled something that you are though, which is odd for someone that's fine with doing it to others.
What tag would you prefer? White Supremacist? Neo-Nazi? Delusional fruitcake? Pick one.

 

How do you go about voicing your opinions then, out of interest?

 

Oh aye, listen to these racists. There are plenty more.

I posted one of Morgan Freeman's interviews, there are plenty of others were he's saying what I'm saying. I guess he must be a racist too.

 

I think they've given reasonable people the ability to no longer be bullied into accepting things they don't want.

Maybe if you say it enough times, you'll start to believe it. I don't care about any of the labels I'm given, it's part and parcel of political discussion with anyone who leans left. Call me whatever pleases you.

 

There were instances of the police shooting people in the back when they were running away and then planting weapons.

Seriously, if anyone doesn't like to see real, graphic violence, then don't watch this:

The police in the US are far too trigger happy and kill too many people.
I think that this is caused by the country's issues with firearms, rather than any police or race-related issues, though.
The media's culture of fear over there doesn't help, either.

A number of the high-profile killings that resulted in protests and violence were poorly chosen, though.
It damages the movement and makes it easy for some people to dismiss the whole thing.
I think that Mark Duggan's shooting by the police over here had a similar affect.

 

With my mouth?

 

Yes, I saw that video. I would expect in some cases the police have experience of people shooting unprepared police so the moment somebody doesn't comply and behaves in such a way that it could reasonably be thought that they had a gun and were going to shoot the police shoot first.

 

They don't come any sadder than racist ****s, like you!..

Why should I want to debate anything with a racist who's agenda is crystal clear?..