The EU debate - Part III

That's fair enough, it will be interesting to see how successful our politicians are in achieving it and the price paid.

It's true we are seen as a petulant child by the rest of Europe. Our politicians that we all voted for agreed and passed all aspects of the devolvement of sovereignty and now we have decided we don't like it.
What interests me is that we are not the only country whose population feel this way and so there was an opportunity to work with them to accept the project had gone beyond what the people of Europe currently want.

As a federalist I'd be more than happy to see us as an area within
A larger body , whether someone's first language is English doesn't matter to me as long as we understand each other and I'd rather not rely on another country the other side of an ocean for our defence. NATO is just a power projection of America.
So unlike you I would rather see our outdated parliament disbanded and power moved to regional governments represented in a EU assembly, which makes us chalk and cheese.
Voting leave / Remain hasn't changed my views but as a realist I am now only interested in the outcome being as least damaging and most beneficial as possible. At the moment it appears both the UK and EU are going to be weaker if the current path continues, the short term damage will pull national debt over 100% gdp and we will be recovering for a very long time, but I accept you see that as a price worth paying.

There is no way the EU will stop trading with us, that is nonsense. The concern is whether the cost of trade increases and whether our services sector has to go through EU companies to operate.

 

Lower watt hovers, load of crap when you try to get up dog hair.
The planned lower watt kettles, that will not alter the amount of electricity used, due to thermal dynamics of boiling water

 

So you voted leave because your "hover" wouldn't suck up dog hairs? Buy a Dyson you absolute cretin.

 

I do agree with that, but Fat Yank has bigger guns and more nukes, so that stops any stupid wars with Russia.
The EU would be crushed by Russia, but not Nato

 

Dyson are rubbish, they alway break down, go read the reviews on them.

Do you even understand basic physics and air watts, I guess not. Go back to sleeps

 

That extra 400 watts must have made such a positive impact on your life

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-save-with-EU-approved-low-wattage-model.html

 

I reckon these 2 blokes, might know a bit more about it than some skinhead from Brum in fairness

Dr Kevin Lane, from Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute, said that this is a myth – he argued that the least powerful models could be just as effective.
"Consumers will not have to use their new vacuum cleaners noticeably longer to compensate," he said.
Dr Lane said that manufacturers would redesign their high power products to be more efficient so that they perform just as well.
"They will also be able to make a more informed choice – suppliers will be less able to put poorly performing products on to the market."
He said that it was a myth that a machine's power consumption meant more cleaning or suction power.
understandable and logical from consumer perspective, and some manufacturer marketing plays up to this – giving the impression that bigger is better."


Matthew Leach, Professor of Energy Systems at the University of Surrey, said that there was no one-to-one relationship between power consumption and effectiveness.
He said: "Some of the highest performing models available on the market such as the Dysons are not the highest power rating, and so it is possible to clean well with lower power use.
Prof Leach predicted a rapid response by manufacturers to re-design the most power hungry machines. He said: "They will bring better designs forwards which manage to have similar suction power for the lower electricity consumption, as they now have to think directly about energy use, and not just suction power in their designs."

 

How many sleeps til Christmas?

 

I get the feeling that this thread is now for the purpose of venting only and nobody actually cares what anyone says.

 

**** off twat.

 

Laurel and Hardy do like to think they know best.A pair of bitter ****wits in reality.

 

Mr ****wit to you wetty

 

I don't know what gave you that idea?

I think Pete might have died, as we've had no Daily Nazi updates for a few days.

 

He's probably trying to figure out the garage opener I got him for Christmas.

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Maybe he's blocked himself

 

If he opened the door it'd reveal the headquarters of Saxton enterprises, that hugely successful business empire that he's built with the aid of a £2k handout from an immigrant.

 

Maybe he hasn't figured out that it won't work without a motor?

It is a British remote, I trust?...

 

Until you use them in real life and they take much longer, yes in time the will get better, but at the moment they are ineffective

 

Orite Jehovah...I've already got that leaflet thanks.

 

Or Fatty thought Santa really goes down the chimney and tried it, idiot.