The EU debate - Part III

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I'm sure they'll rescind this if we remind them that we won the war

Theresa May is warned that a £50bn 'Brexit bill' will be 'one of the first issues' in the negotiations
 
steveninaster1 said:
That's an interesting concept.

Both sides made claims that have proven to be exaggerated or untrue but that doesn't change the underlying issue as to whether you think we will be better/worse off post Brexit.

What were your specific reasons for voting leave and do you think those who persuaded you have delivered to date?
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Hi Steve,

I think we will be worse off short term it is probably true.

However, other than forecasting we can only speculate until if and when we actually do leave.

I didn't really listen in to the slanging match that occurred between both sides although was quite offended by some of the assumptions about people who voted leave as I'm sure is the same for the other side.

Immigration has never been a big issue for me for example. I have my opinions but they're not key as to my reasoning's.

I wanted to leave years ago and never actually thought we would get a referendum so when it did become an option I'd already made my mind up.

I wanted to leave for quite a few reasons - here are some of them:

1. I did not vote for our country to be run by people outside of it. We had trade agreements not sovereignty agreements as far as I'm aware. I'm not comfortable with the concept.
2. I don't like the concept of people making decisions about my life who are not easily accountable. I don't want to travel across a sea to air my feelings to a large collection of faceless groups of whom don't even have English as their first language.
3. I cant see how a large group of individuals, each with their own interests, can formulate an efficient decision making body. There are too many people in the kitchen. You cant keep everybody happy.
4. I am concerned about our role within this organisation. We're not liked abroad and I cannot get the feeling that we're being pacified by being part of the body which by evidence is probably not true but that's my gut feeling.
5. I don't buy the whole - "they'll just stop trading". Not they wont. Money talks. They will trade with us because they also benefit. The deal will just probably not be as good whilst we have avenues to trade elsewhere which were otherwise not available.

The man reason though is sovereignty. I don't want people not born in the UK or not nationalised telling me how to live. I didn't vote for you. Mind you own business. We're happy to trade, I'm happy to share a drink and we have NATO for international conflicts but keep your beak out of my/our business.

I don't want to be like one of the other Europeans countries all under one flag and one currency.
 
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Christmas Log* said:
Hi Steve,

I think we will be worse off short term it is probably true.

However, other than forecasting we can only speculate until if and when we actually do leave.

I didn't really listen in to the slanging match that occurred between both sides although was quite offended by some of the assumptions about people who voted leave as I'm sure is the same for the other side.

Immigration has never been a big issue for me for example. I have my opinions but they're not key as to my reasoning's.

I wanted to leave years ago and never actually thought we would get a referendum so when it did become an option I'd already made my mind up.

I wanted to leave for quite a few reasons - here are some of them:

1. I did not vote for our country to be run by people outside of it. We had trade agreements not sovereignty agreements as far as I'm aware. I'm not comfortable with the concept.
2. I don't like the concept of people making decisions about my life who are not easily accountable. I don't want to travel across a sea to air my feelings to a large collection of faceless groups of whom don't even have English as their first language.
3. I cant see how a large group of individuals, each with their own interests, can formulate an efficient decision making body. There are too many people in the kitchen. You cant keep everybody happy.
4. I am concerned about our role within this organisation. We're not liked abroad and I cannot get the feeling that we're being pacified by being part of the body which by evidence is probably not true but that's my gut feeling.
5. I don't buy the whole - "they'll just stop trading". Not they wont. Money talks. They will trade with us because they also benefit. The deal will just probably not be as good whilst we have avenues to trade elsewhere which were otherwise not available.

The man reason though is sovereignty. I don't want people not born in the UK or not nationalised telling me how to live. I didn't vote for you. Mind you own business. We're happy to trade, I'm happy to share a drink and we have NATO for international conflicts but keep your beak out of my/our business.

I don't want to be like one of the other Europeans countries all under one flag and one currency.
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This was all going so well til your last sentence.
 
Christmas Log* said:
That's my legitimate opinion which I'm entitled to have.

About time you respected other peoples and got off your high horse.
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We've never shared one flag or one currency. That's UKIP bollox that you're either trying to spread or have been brainwashed to believe.
 
Stan said:
We've never shared one flag or one currency. That's UKIP bollox that you're either trying to spread or have been brainwashed to believe.
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The rest of Europe has never shared one currently or flag?

Hum.
 
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Christmas Log* said:
The rest of Europe has never shared one currently or flag?

Hum.
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The UK hasn't. We live in the UK. The plan was never for the UK to get rid of its various flags or the pound. The UK declined joining the euro. Where did you read that the UK was going to join the euro? Link?
 
Stan said:
I'm sure they'll rescind this if we remind them that we won the war

Theresa May is warned that a £50bn 'Brexit bill' will be 'one of the first issues' in the negotiations
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Dont we owe that money anyway because of obligations?

50B will be paid even if we had stayed in, an unbelievable amount of money to pay for very little in return.
 
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Christmas Log* said:
Hi Steve,

I think we will be worse off short term it is probably true.

However, other than forecasting we can only speculate until if and when we actually do leave.

I didn't really listen in to the slanging match that occurred between both sides although was quite offended by some of the assumptions about people who voted leave as I'm sure is the same for the other side.

Immigration has never been a big issue for me for example. I have my opinions but they're not key as to my reasoning's.

I wanted to leave years ago and never actually thought we would get a referendum so when it did become an option I'd already made my mind up.

I wanted to leave for quite a few reasons - here are some of them:

1. I did not vote for our country to be run by people outside of it. We had trade agreements not sovereignty agreements as far as I'm aware. I'm not comfortable with the concept.
2. I don't like the concept of people making decisions about my life who are not easily accountable. I don't want to travel across a sea to air my feelings to a large collection of faceless groups of whom don't even have English as their first language.
3. I cant see how a large group of individuals, each with their own interests, can formulate an efficient decision making body. There are too many people in the kitchen. You cant keep everybody happy.
4. I am concerned about our role within this organisation. We're not liked abroad and I cannot get the feeling that we're being pacified by being part of the body which by evidence is probably not true but that's my gut feeling.
5. I don't buy the whole - "they'll just stop trading". Not they wont. Money talks. They will trade with us because they also benefit. The deal will just probably not be as good whilst we have avenues to trade elsewhere which were otherwise not available.

The man reason though is sovereignty. I don't want people not born in the UK or not nationalised telling me how to live. I didn't vote for you. Mind you own business. We're happy to trade, I'm happy to share a drink and we have NATO for international conflicts but keep your beak out of my/our business.

I don't want to be like one of the other Europeans countries all under one flag and one currency.
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I don't want people not born in the UK or not nationalised telling me how to live

Can you name one piece of EU legislation that you have a real issue with as it affects your life in negative way.

Cheers
 
Tobes said:
I don't want people not born in the UK or not nationalised telling me how to live

Can you name one piece of EU legislation that you have a real issue with as it affects your life in negative way.

Cheers
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I don't have to name one.

Are you saying I should accept the concept of how something is run just because it doesn't effect me negatively?

Its the concept I do not like.
 
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Christmas Log* said:
I don't have to name one.

Are you saying I should accept the concept of how something is run just because it doesn't effect me negatively?

Its the concept I do not like.
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So you don't know why you don't like it, you just don't like it. You'll find some kindred spirits here. :azn:
 
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Christmas Log* said:
I don't have to name one.

Are you saying I should accept the concept of how something is run just because it doesn't effect me negatively?

Its the concept I do not like.
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So you can't name any piece of legislation that impacts on your life in a negative way, you just don't like the idea that it might, despite it not happening ever...

Sounds logical.
 
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