The EU debate - Part III
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Moroccan asylum seeker 'followed woman into nightclub toilets and raped her after she rejected his advances' in latest migrant sex attack to rock Germany
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-sex-attack-rock-Germany.html#ixzz4Sfu36nsF
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-sex-attack-rock-Germany.html#ixzz4Sfu36nsF
When it comes to discussions about immigration I think it's a massive shame that we aren't able recognise the huge benefits of immigration whilst also recognising the issues it creates.
It's a subject that polarises people so much that anyone who takes issue with immigration is labelled a racist whilst anyone who champions immigration is labelled a loony lefty.
The reality is somewhere in the middle. Immigration has added so much to this country in so many ways yet the way it has been handled has created issues in individual areas or industries.
If people were able to discuss the topic without attacking each other it might actually be possible to address the issues some have whilst embracing the benefits it creates.
It's a subject that polarises people so much that anyone who takes issue with immigration is labelled a racist whilst anyone who champions immigration is labelled a loony lefty.
The reality is somewhere in the middle. Immigration has added so much to this country in so many ways yet the way it has been handled has created issues in individual areas or industries.
If people were able to discuss the topic without attacking each other it might actually be possible to address the issues some have whilst embracing the benefits it creates.
Tbh I think most sensible out voters expected it would take time to sort a deal and anyone with half a brain who voted to leave hoped we would do a favourable deal that to some hardliners might be seen as watered down.
That's a large part of the problem!
It's all very well May coming out with her meaningless 'Brexit means Brexit' soundbites, but we've still to have the first clue about exactly what does Brexit mean?
As you've alluded to, whatever kind of exit we make after this clusterfuck, some will be disillusioned and disappointed. If we end up with a so called soft Brexit, then the UKIP hardliners, and other assorted far right nutters will be up in arms about still having some connections to Europe. If we end up with the hard Brexit route, then many more who thought they would be voting for a less extreme divorce, will be up in arms about loss of access to the single market, etc.
You have only to look at the obvious divisions in May's own party to know that Brexit means vastly different things to different people.
Sadly, some seem determined to polarise the issues and/or hamper negotiations as best they can, and ignore the reality of there being other parties involved in the negotiations, so positions can't be clearly defined at the start.
The reasons can only really be assumed, but it seems some will go to great lengths rather than just accept that we're leaving, and a lot of people don't think like them. It looks like the desire for something they can claim an "I told you so" from means that they invent positions for others they don't hold, in the desperate hope they can claim "success" no matter what the cost.
Recent votes should be seen for the wake up call that they clearly are. The establishment, and some individuals need to listen to that, as it really is the key issue. Arrogance and a 'we know better than those idiots" seems to be a factor with those that choose to ignore it.
What about the snowflakes that got older and decided leaving is best 2.5M
It would also take the conclusion beyond the next election, so the final terms would likely be what the election was based on. This could still end up in the skip.
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Some will be Stan, not all. The good thing is that they will require a highly skilled workforce to maintain and service them in the future. I see that as a positive, replacing low skilled jobs with some high skilled jobs ( and I do appreciate the numbers won't be equal).
I did a bit of that as a kid. Compared to what I got as pocket money, this could be like a lottery win. Bloody hard work though.
DMD likes this.
It could happen. May might pull off a masterstroke and be the best PM of all time. The first few months suggests they might as well have put you in charge.
It was largely greenhouse work around here. It's why we're rubbish at throwing stones.
May might pull off a masterstroke and be the best PM of all time.
And Santa Claus might come tumbling down my chimney with the keys to my new Ferrari that he's got me for Xmas!....
And Santa Claus might come tumbling down my chimney with the keys to my new Ferrari that he's got me for Xmas!....
It is possible then that immigrants will be required if UK workers are not skilled enough.
We'll train up some unskilled workers and the long term unemployed will flow seamlessly into all of the vacant jobs.
I do apologise, you ladies throw in so many options, I lose track of which 'typical me' I'm supposed to be sometimes.
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