The EU debate - Part II

[The Zlatan]

Source?

"The authorities say there are 500 British jihadists but the likely figure is at least three to four times that"

- Labour MP, Khalid Mahmood
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-2000-Britons-fighting-for-Islamic-State.html

"Approximately 800 Brits have been to Syria, of whom half are still there, but on top of that 800 we have stopped another 600"

- Then Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-war-torn-state-Foreign-Secretary-admits.html

Foreign intelligence officials have claimed police predictions of just 700 Britons leaving to join jihadists may have been announced to "control public fear" of the scale of the crisis. Alarmingly, out of the revised figure of 1,600 about 500 are believed to have returned to the UK, raising fears of a terror plot on British soil.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/57...IS-terrorists-and-500-are-back-on-our-streets
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/Terrorism/article1546017.ece

Number of british muslims 2.7 million.
Number serving in isis 500-1000 estimate.
Number in British Army 560.

So what we are looking at is numbers so small as to be statistically insignificant except to those looking to subvert for their own purpose.

Plenty of people have given competent responses that your ideology refuses to accept, which is a pity.

The presumption was that '99%' of Muslims would be clamouring to fight on the side of Britain should we be invaded by ISIS, implicating that Muslims indeed love this country and will fight for its culture and defend it from evil. If that were the case, why is there such a small number of Muslims in the British army? They make up ~4.5% of the population, yet are significantly underrepresented in the armed forces (0.39%). Why are there more fighting for ISIS than for the country it is claimed they love? I know the answer to these questions, do you?

Your desire to portray the entirety of Islam as something that should be treated with distrust is the action of a bigoted, racist, ignorant prick.

You're not worth engaging with as the veil covering your bigoted agenda is tissue thin

I'm still not quite sure why you choose to defend it so vehemently, are you even aware that it is a right wing ideology? Heavily conservative in nature, the complete antithesis to what you believe, and yet here I am in opposition of it and you're attacking me! You really think you can live in peace with it? Is it at this time only? Or in the future when they make up a significantly larger proportion of the population? We all see what happens in France every other month, those are big stories, but the little ones that go amiss? They can be summed up with this little statistic... Despite only making up ~7.5% of the French population (largest in Western Europe), Muslims make up ~70% of prison inmates. It's quite breath taking how you will leap to the defence of Islam without really knowing much about it, other than regurgitating bottom of the barrel platitudes.

No, the reason you think I'm not worth engaging with is that you have no retort. You cannot think of anything to counter what I am saying, the points that I am making, the statistics I am bringing forward, the questions I am asking and, most importantly, what Islam actually is, the first mistake a lot of people make is classifying it as a religion. Your Muslim best friend has disappeared too, is it because I'm just a 'racist, bigot, Islamophobe', which presumably you'd all be cherishing to 'put to bed' as he put it? Or is it because I'm hitting a little too close to home? Orwell had it right when he was talking about the truth... Oh, and do you know want to know what that feeling you're experiencing is right now? That's your little brain desperately trying to hurdle all of your contradictions, the anger isn't with me, it's with yourself as it's not capable of doing so, hence why you continuously revert to calling me all of those lefty buzzwords.

 

[Tobes]

Nope dip ****, you tried narrowing things when it dawned on you you ****ed up again. You claimed they're all the same, the EU say you're a clueless gobby clown.

You knew **** all about the entire subject and are trying to claim a 'win' with the startling revelation that there's more than one set of criteria for what qualifies for a potential grant dependant on what sector you're in. However, the mechanism remains the same you dumb ****

 

[Tobes]

I love the way any poll vote is brilliant, when you think it deflects from yet another of your obvious **** ups.

You've got the intelligence of a garden shed and an extreme inferiority complex

 

[DMD]

You knew **** all about the entire subject and are trying to claim a 'win' with the startling revelation that there's more than one set of criteria for what qualifies for a potential grant dependant on what sector you're in. However, the mechanism remains the same you dumb ****

See, there you go again, trying to tell people what they think and why they think it, yet your own position is that you know **** all yourself, but your future ex-wife deals with one bit of it.

The EU say you're a clueless tit.

 

[NSIS]

****ing quality. You've quoted yourself and provided possibly your most accurate reply.

Are you going to edit and deny it like previous times?

No, it's my fault. Toying with you on my iPad whist trying to watch a film.

Both comments are relevant to your thick headed stupidity, anyway.

Really, Is that the best you've got!? Lots of smilies too, nice!...

Oh, and I stand by my last comment.

It's been entertaining, but I'm afraid you're starting to bore me now.

 

[DMD]

You've got the intelligence of a garden shed and an extreme inferiority complex

I forget the exact phrase, but basically it says you can tell a lot about people by what they try to offer as insults.

Fancy, this started because I was asked and stated why I voted leave. The rest seems to be a few lost souls desperately trying to prove I voted for totally different reasons. It looks like they bough the remain bullshit, and are desperate not to look like the only gullible fools.

 

[DMD]

No, it's my fault. Toying with you on my iPad whist trying to watch a film.

Both comments are relevant to your thick headed stupidity, anyway.

Really, Is that the best you've got!? Lots of smilies too, nice!...

Oh, and I stand by my last comment.

It's been entertaining, but I'm afraid you're starting to bore me now.

How many times have you flounced out now? You can't even predict that accurately. (because I know you love them)

You should make a note of your wee 'events', They could be useful if you let your therapist know about them. There could be a simple medication that could help relieve your suffering.

 

[Tobes]

See, there you go again, trying to tell people what they think and why they think it, yet your own position is that you know **** all yourself, but your future ex-wife deals with one bit of it.

The EU say you're a clueless tit.

The EU say what exactly?

You trying to make out that 'your people' involved in EU funding are beyond the National evaluation committee was a ****ing blinder

You talk **** about umpteen subjects and then profess that you're invariably 'right', get torn to shreds and then try twist the discussion, deflect and go into full pedant mode before claiming a faux victory

You truly are a sad ****

 

[NSIS]

How many times have you flounced out now? You can't even predict that accurately. (because I know you love them)

You should make a note of your wee 'events', They could be useful if you let your therapist know about them. There could be a simple medication that could help relieve your suffering.

I don't need to flounce out, what I said to you is just the simple truth. You're a total ****ing bore! Worse still, you're an ignorant, bigoted, boneheaded and very stupid bore too.

That's the truth.

 

[DMD]

The EU say what exactly?

You trying to make out that 'your people' involved in EU funding are beyond the National evaluation committee was a ****ing blinder

You talk **** about umpteen subjects and then profess that you're invariably 'right', get torn to shreds and then try twist the discussion, deflect and go into full pedant mode before claiming a faux victory

You truly are a sad ****

Amazingly, you delude yourself that there's some truth in that.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

- Labour MP, Khalid Mahmood
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-2000-Britons-fighting-for-Islamic-State.html

- Then Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-war-torn-state-Foreign-Secretary-admits.html


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/57...IS-terrorists-and-500-are-back-on-our-streets
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/Terrorism/article1546017.ece


The presumption was that '99%' of Muslims would be clamouring to fight on the side of Britain should we be invaded by ISIS, implicating that Muslims indeed love this country and will fight for its culture and defend it from evil. If that were the case, why is there such a small number of Muslims in the British army? They make up ~4.5% of the population, yet are significantly underrepresented in the armed forces (0.39%). Why are there more fighting for ISIS than for the country it is claimed they love? I know the answer to these questions, do you?


I'm still not quite sure why you choose to defend it so vehemently, are you even aware that it is a right wing ideology? Heavily conservative in nature, the complete antithesis to what you believe, and yet here I am in opposition of it and you're attacking me! You really think you can live in peace with it? Is it at this time only? Or in the future when they make up a significantly larger proportion of the population? We all see what happens in France every other month, those are big stories, but the little ones that go amiss? They can be summed up with this little statistic... Despite only making up ~7.5% of the French population (largest in Western Europe), Muslims make up ~70% of prison inmates. It's quite breath taking how you will leap to the defence of Islam without really knowing much about it, other than regurgitating bottom of the barrel platitudes.

No, the reason you think I'm not worth engaging with is that you have no retort. You cannot think of anything to counter what I am saying, the points that I am making, the statistics I am bringing forward, the questions I am asking and, most importantly, what Islam actually is, the first mistake a lot of people make is classifying it as a religion. Your Muslim best friend has disappeared too, is it because I'm just a 'racist, bigot, Islamophobe', which presumably you'd all be cherishing to 'put to bed' as he put it? Or is it because I'm hitting a little too close to home? Orwell had it right when he was talking about the truth... Oh, and do you know want to know what that feeling you're experiencing is right now? That's your little brain desperately trying to hurdle all of your contradictions, the anger isn't with me, it's with yourself as it's not capable of doing so, hence why you continuously revert to calling me all of those lefty buzzwords.

Who gives a **** how many Muslims are in the British army? Since when was that the benchmark for whether or not they sympathise with terrorists? Loads of minorities are probably under-represented- gays, Jews, Hindus, public schoolboys, blokes called Colin, Poles. There are loads of reasons why any person or any group of people aren't in the army.

 

[DMD]

I don't need to flounce out, what I said to you is just the simple truth. You're a total ****ing bore! Worse still, you're an ignorant, bigoted, boneheaded and very stupid bore too.

That's the truth.

Did you mean to post that to yourself like last time? It's hard to follow when the effects of your medication seems to be running out.

 

[PINKIE]

So anyway, Junior Doctors have decided to go out on strike again. This time for 5 days in a row. Too ****ing right in my book. Jeremy **** has stitched them up over pay and working hours and tried to dress new contracts up as providing a '7 day NHS' when there is already a 7 day NHS.

When the Tories start picking fights with Doctors, it speaks volumes about where their priorities lay.

 

[steveninaster1]

The presumption was that '99%' of Muslims would be clamouring to fight on the side of Britain should we be invaded by ISIS, implicating that Muslims indeed love this country and will fight for its culture and defend it from evil. If that were the case, why is there such a small number of Muslims in the British army? They make up ~4.5% of the population, yet are significantly underrepresented in the armed forces (0.39%). Why are there more fighting for ISIS than for the country it is claimed they love? I know the answer to these questions, do you?

Okay let's play.
No presumption of anyone not choosing to take up arms would do but judging by the number of Syrian Muslims who choose to flee rather than fight gives me an inkling.
As for minorities in the armed forces the answer is the same for all minorities and not just Muslim, be they Hindu, Sikh, Zoroastrian, shinto or jedi. The reason is straightforward and relates to cultural barriers for all and not a simplistic view that it is solely Muslims that are under represented.
Why are 500-1000 of 2.7 million going to isis? The answer is they have been radicalised.

What you conveniently ignore is that 99.9% of the victims of ISIS are Muslim
As I said it is your ideology that prevents you viewing a bigger picture so I will leave your favoured Pew research to do the talking and hopefully make you see that ISIS are not universally supported by Muslims.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

 

[NSIS]

I haven't gone into all the ins and outs of it from here, but has anybody stopped to consider the patients in all this? You know, those people who need medical attention.

Or are they both too wrapped up in battling each other?..

 

[PINKIE]

I haven't gone into all the ins and outs of it from here, but has anybody stopped to consider the patients in all this? You know, those people who need medical attention.

Or are they both too wrapped up in battling each other?..

Personally, I think it indicative of how strongly the Dr's feel that the only thing they have left is to withdraw their labour. I know several doctors, they all go into the profession because they care deeply about people's health, they simply would not take this course of action unless it was a last resort.

 

[paultheplug]

I was quoting post poll research you clueless blimp

So I personally wasn't trying to claim that I knew why people voted, I was simply stating a fact.

Your desperation to distance yourself from the gullible idiots who were taken in by the lies is hilarious, as is your piss poor attempt to hide your patently obvious snide and ugly persona

Don't give him facts Tobes, he doesn't understand what they are

 

[NSIS]

Don't give him facts Tobes, he doesn't understand what they are

The facts are what David tells him they are.

David has assured him he's a top lizard and a very clever boy.

Sadly, he believes it all...

 

[NSIS]

So anyway, Junior Doctors have decided to go out on strike again. This time for 5 days in a row. Too ****ing right in my book. Jeremy **** has stitched them up over pay and working hours and tried to dress new contracts up as providing a '7 day NHS' when there is already a 7 day NHS.

When the Tories start picking fights with Doctors, it speaks volumes about where their priorities lay.

Still sounds like a battle of wills to me. And **** everybody else...

 

[DMD]

Don't give him facts Tobes, he doesn't understand what they are

It's not a poll result.

It's something like the EU saying that not all funding is the same.

HTH.