The EU debate - Part II

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NowsufferinginSpain said:
The facts are what David tells him they are.

David has assured him he's a top lizard and a very clever boy.

Sadly, he believes it all...
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I have read some of David Ike's books. They are a classic example of what happens if you don't have a critical mind and blindly accept what somebody is saying.

He starts with a premise that most people can accept: the banks rule the world, they are owned by a mega rich elite consisting of a few families (Rothschild, JP Morgan etc) Fine, nobody is disputing that. Once he has people listening, he will then extrapolate a slightly more contentious viewpoint, and then an even more incredulous one and on it goes. If you don't stop to check your thinking and critical analysis, he'll have you believing that the Queen is a shape shifting alien Lizard from another dimension.
 
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PISKIE said:
I have read some of David Ike's books. They are a classic example of what happens if you don't have a critical mind and blindly accept what somebody is saying.

He starts with a premise that most people can accept: the banks rule the world, they are owned by a mega rich elite consisting of a few families (Rothschild, JP Morgan etc) Fine, nobody is disputing that. Once he has people listening, he will then extrapolate a slightly more contentious viewpoint, and then an even more incredulous one and on it goes. If you don't stop to check your thinking and critical analysis, he'll have you believing that the Queen is a shape shifting alien Lizard from another dimension.
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Clearly, he got through to some people!..<laugh>
 
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PISKIE said:
So anyway, Junior Doctors have decided to go out on strike again. This time for 5 days in a row. Too ****ing right in my book. Jeremy **** has stitched them up over pay and working hours and tried to dress new contracts up as providing a '7 day NHS' when there is already a 7 day NHS.

When the Tories start picking fights with Doctors, it speaks volumes about where their priorities lay.
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What qualifications does Jeremy **** have to be in charge of the NHS anyway. As you say Piskie we already have a 7 day NHS for emergencies which is when we need it. Yes the NHS needs streamlining but can ill afford to lose any medical staff and his posturing is going to drive doctors away. If he wants a 7 day full NHS would many of us like to be told that our routine blood test will be at 3.30 am on a Sunday. I don't think so. There are few countries in the world that have a health service as good as that in the UK and that **** is dead set on privatising it and is picking fights with the doctors to hasten that. May had an opportunity to end the problem by replacing the Secretary of State with somebody competent who was willing to talk and discuss the way forward civilly with the doctors but she chose not to.
They wouldn't be very keen to have a 7 day 24 hour parliament, but expect everybody else to.
 
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paultheplug said:
What qualifications does Jeremy **** have to be in charge of the NHS anyway. As you say Piskie we already have a 7 day NHS for emergencies which is when we need it. Yes the NHS needs streamlining but can ill afford to lose any medical staff and his posturing is going to drive doctors away. If he wants a 7 day full NHS would many of us like to be told that our routine blood test will be at 3.30 am on a Sunday. I don't think so. There are few countries in the world that have a health service as good as that in the UK and that **** is dead set on privatising it and is picking fights with the doctors to hasten that. May had an opportunity to end the problem by replacing the Secretary of State with somebody competent who was willing to talk and discuss the way forward civilly with the doctors but she chose not to.
They wouldn't be very keen to have a 7 day 24 hour parliament, but expect everybody else to.
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Exactly this. We don't need a 7 day NHS for routine bloods, out patient appts etc on Sundays or at 3am on a Wednesday. We already have 24/7 emergency care and the doctors who provide that are ****ing amazing. ****'s proposals will extend Doctors hours because there are no more resources, as you say, his stance is driving people away from the profession, mainly to work abroad when taxpayers have spent thousands training them up to work here.

I worked for the NHS for 16 years and I have seen the privatisation agenda close up. Since the Tories dismantled the primary care trusts, they have been pursuing a commissioning agenda which actively promotes private health companies to come in and 'cherry pick' the profitable services, that are easy to deliver and have good outcomes. This is turn leaves an ever underfunded (remember there is only one pot of dwindling money) to pick up the rest, with less money and less staff. This is all spun as 'Promoting patient choice' But basically the greedy ****s are selling it off to their rich chums to make a quick buck.
 
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I've been busy this afternoon and I'm taking Stan Jr plus friend to play golf first thing tomorrow...so without having to trawl through pages of Dull Hull crap, has he confirmed that he is a follower of David Icke? It would explain a lot!
 
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PISKIE said:
Exactly this. We don't need a 7 day NHS for routine bloods, out patient appts etc on Sundays or at 3am on a Wednesday. We already have 24/7 emergency care and the doctors who provide that are ****ing amazing. ****'s proposals will extend Doctors hours because there are no more resources, as you say, his stance is driving people away from the profession, mainly to work abroad when taxpayers have spent thousands training them up to work here.

I worked for the NHS for 16 years and I have seen the privatisation agenda close up. Since the Tories dismantled the primary care trusts, they have been pursuing a commissioning agenda which actively promotes private health companies to come in and 'cherry pick' the profitable services, that are easy to deliver and have good outcomes. This is turn leaves an ever underfunded (remember there is only one pot of dwindling money) to pick up the rest, with less money and less staff. This is all spun as 'Promoting patient choice' But basically the greedy ****s are selling it off to their rich chums to make a quick buck.
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Have you seen the BBC's account of the strike? Implying that it's dangerous doctors pointlessly fighting against and inevitable and sensible contract offer that is damaging patients - the bias is so extreme in the BBC that it's reputation is in tatters!
 
Lightning Stan said:
I've been busy this afternoon and I'm taking Stan Jr plus friend to play golf first thing tomorrow...so without having to trawl through pages of Dull Hull crap, has he confirmed that he is a follower of David Icke? It would explain a lot!
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Unfortunately, he's taken yet another kicking today and David has told him to **** off to bed, or he'll have his top lizard status taken away.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Nurse. His drug dose needs increasing. The deluded ramblings are getting worse, :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm
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So when did you start becoming an Icke believer? The guy that plastered and painted our hallway came from a Jehovah's Witness family (he's a non believer) and his story was interesting. Yours must be an Eldorado waiting to be scripted.

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The Zlatan said:
- Labour MP, Khalid Mahmood
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-2000-Britons-fighting-for-Islamic-State.html

- Then Foreign Secretary, Philip Hammond
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-war-torn-state-Foreign-Secretary-admits.html


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/57...IS-terrorists-and-500-are-back-on-our-streets
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/Terrorism/article1546017.ece


The presumption was that '99%' of Muslims would be clamouring to fight on the side of Britain should we be invaded by ISIS, implicating that Muslims indeed love this country and will fight for its culture and defend it from evil. If that were the case, why is there such a small number of Muslims in the British army? They make up ~4.5% of the population, yet are significantly underrepresented in the armed forces (0.39%). Why are there more fighting for ISIS than for the country it is claimed they love? I know the answer to these questions, do you?


I'm still not quite sure why you choose to defend it so vehemently, are you even aware that it is a right wing ideology? Heavily conservative in nature, the complete antithesis to what you believe, and yet here I am in opposition of it and you're attacking me! You really think you can live in peace with it? Is it at this time only? Or in the future when they make up a significantly larger proportion of the population? We all see what happens in France every other month, those are big stories, but the little ones that go amiss? They can be summed up with this little statistic... Despite only making up ~7.5% of the French population (largest in Western Europe), Muslims make up ~70% of prison inmates. It's quite breath taking how you will leap to the defence of Islam without really knowing much about it, other than regurgitating bottom of the barrel platitudes.

No, the reason you think I'm not worth engaging with is that you have no retort. You cannot think of anything to counter what I am saying, the points that I am making, the statistics I am bringing forward, the questions I am asking and, most importantly, what Islam actually is, the first mistake a lot of people make is classifying it as a religion. Your Muslim best friend has disappeared too, is it because I'm just a 'racist, bigot, Islamophobe', which presumably you'd all be cherishing to 'put to bed' as he put it? Or is it because I'm hitting a little too close to home? Orwell had it right when he was talking about the truth... Oh, and do you know want to know what that feeling you're experiencing is right now? That's your little brain desperately trying to hurdle all of your contradictions, the anger isn't with me, it's with yourself as it's not capable of doing so, hence why you continuously revert to calling me all of those lefty buzzwords.
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I'm not defending Islam vehemently. What I'm doing is saying that your attack on the entirety of Islam due to the actions of a minute percentage of extremists, who are preaching a variant of Islam that most Muslims don't recognise, is a lazy racially motivated attack.

You simply can't say that the entire Muslim culture is something that poses some form of threat to the West. You trying to justify that stance by using some meaningless stats about the number of Muslims in the armed forces, is truly pathetic and a complete red herring.

You've clearly shown what you are here, it needs no further explanation.
 
Lightning Stan said:
So when did you start becoming an Icke believer? The guy that plastered and painted our hallway came from a Jehovah's Witness family (he's a non believer) and his story was interesting. Yours must be an Eldorado waiting to be scripted.

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Anyone who can take Icke seriously has got issues.

the man is a complete barm pot
 
Lightning Stan said:
So when did you start becoming an Icke believer? The guy that plastered and painted our hallway came from a Jehovah's Witness family (he's a non believer) and his story was interesting. Yours must be an Eldorado waiting to be scripted.

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"Lighting" :emoticon-0102-bigsm:emoticon-0102-bigsm

That has to be one of the most inappropriate names on the boards.

If you're interested, there are some posts of mine on here somewhere about David Icke. They'll show you I don't have too high an opinion of his theories to say the least.

He's almost as mentally ill as you, Tobes and the suffering emigrant.
 
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