Form an orderly queue.What a great first post! Welcome to the forum Andy, and please can I borrow your car?
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What a great first post! Welcome to the forum Andy, and please can I borrow your car?
Won’t even let the missus drive itWhat a great first post! Welcome to the forum Andy, and please can I borrow your car?
But if anyone decides to buy one let me know and I’ll give you a referral code.
Every time someone uses my unique referral code I get 1000 miles free supercharging
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...uded-with-neo-nazis-on-uk-counter-terror-list
Looks like we are all extremists on here then!
Looks like we are all extremists on here then!
Here comes the affordable Tesla:
I first got wind that there might be a Tesla that people wouldn't have to sell both kidneys for around 3-4 years ago, when Elon Musk said something about a smaller Tesla after the Model 3, but he wasn't saying anything more. Then just the other day he mentioned about having a design studio in Tesla China. Well, what are you going to design? An affordable world car, that's what. Might be another 3-4 years for the tiddler.
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I first got wind that there might be a Tesla that people wouldn't have to sell both kidneys for around 3-4 years ago, when Elon Musk said something about a smaller Tesla after the Model 3, but he wasn't saying anything more. Then just the other day he mentioned about having a design studio in Tesla China. Well, what are you going to design? An affordable world car, that's what. Might be another 3-4 years for the tiddler.
Anyone who doesn't follow the party line will be a target for the nasty brigade, but eventually public opinion will grow and stand up to this nonsense.
This stuff is exactly the same kind of dirty tricks and twisted reality the Tories used during the election campaign. The one thing about liars is that sooner or later the lies they tell, trip them up and find them out.
Power to the people!Freedom for Not606ers! Come the revolution, brothers ......
Wolfie Smith rules .......
How are we going to generate all the electricity to charge these cars? national grid struggles in winter sometimes already with no electric cars.
more importantly, where is all the lithium going to come from, because there's no where near enough on earth to make enough batteries to replace 1/4 of the cars on the road.
National Grid representatives have already said several times that they'll be able to meet future demand. In fact, electric cars will make it easier to balance the Grid.
Lithium is plentiful. The problem is getting enough of it because of the demand growth. There could be a problem with supply if investment is slow. But where there is money to be made, investment usually follows. Copper and Nickel could have the same problems, even though there's plenty enough on the planet. Cobalt is a political problem, but battery development is turning away from it. Tesla, for example uses only 4% in their batteries, with plans to eliminate it all together. VW is on 10% cobalt and dropping. This is a pretty good summary article: https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla-shortage-battery-minerals-nickle-copper-lithium/
Lithium is plentiful. The problem is getting enough of it because of the demand growth. There could be a problem with supply if investment is slow. But where there is money to be made, investment usually follows. Copper and Nickel could have the same problems, even though there's plenty enough on the planet. Cobalt is a political problem, but battery development is turning away from it. Tesla, for example uses only 4% in their batteries, with plans to eliminate it all together. VW is on 10% cobalt and dropping. This is a pretty good summary article: https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla-shortage-battery-minerals-nickle-copper-lithium/
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Did anyone see this new BEV pop up in their researches? Any guesses on which company designed and made it?
I think it is one of the most handsome modern cars I've seen. So, you might want to sit down when you read who made it - Sony. Yes, the Trinitron, Walkman and Handycam producer made this car. Actually, it was a company called Magna International, I believe, [ https://www.magna.com/ ] that made it for Sony, just like they make lots of cars for automakers. But this is a finished working BEV concept that will never see the road because all it is is a demonstrator of Sony's in car technology. Not just audio and video, but plenty of other stuff too. Bit of shame though, don't you think, that one won't be able to drive this cute car, and with a clean conscience?
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I think it is one of the most handsome modern cars I've seen. So, you might want to sit down when you read who made it - Sony. Yes, the Trinitron, Walkman and Handycam producer made this car. Actually, it was a company called Magna International, I believe, [ https://www.magna.com/ ] that made it for Sony, just like they make lots of cars for automakers. But this is a finished working BEV concept that will never see the road because all it is is a demonstrator of Sony's in car technology. Not just audio and video, but plenty of other stuff too. Bit of shame though, don't you think, that one won't be able to drive this cute car, and with a clean conscience?
reading that article makes it worse than what I thought, not better, they have a tiny production line compared to other manufacturers, are involved in the mining, but still have problems, how is that going to get better when the world wants 10,000x more? The other part is how big an environmental impact is the mining going to cause?
personally I think fuel cells and flow batteries are probably the more likely solution, there's lots of easily available water about.
True, I may be a bit bias as it's Tesla and I can't stand Elon Musk, I think he's a snakeoil salesman, a modern day P T Barnum
Well, I suspect that's where your real answer lies. You've been subject to FUD and have taken it at face value. Read around the subject.
From the excess in batteries of houses and electric cars? If we get more storage of electricity when we have excess solar and wind power, this is quite feasible.
And in answer to the "tiny production line", Tesla makes as many batteries as everyone else put together. The thing is that they realise just by looking at the projected demand figures, that battery minerals could get supply scarce if the various mines and processes don't scale up quickly enough. This is a concern that is way out there. They identified it early last year so that there would be no dent in the growth of BEVs. They've even considered going into the mining business themselves to ensure supply. The have the "boring" technology after all.
Try as I might to not guide this thread down a Tesla appreciation alley, it is difficult. The company is leading the way and turning the vast legacy automaker juggernaut around 180. They're making real progress. Not just talking about it. And it's a respite from all the bad news we could easily post.
Try as I might to not guide this thread down a Tesla appreciation alley, it is difficult. The company is leading the way and turning the vast legacy automaker juggernaut around 180. They're making real progress. Not just talking about it. And it's a respite from all the bad news we could easily post.
Here's a bit of news about air quality from a sporting perspective. Note the PM2.5 figure considered worthy of stopping a match:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/51159982
Hold that thought. Did you know that the kerbside PM2.5 pollution in certain areas of Central London approaches that every day? and the big shocker is that the PM2.5 count in the Underground has measured way over that figure. Prolonged exposure can result in asthma attacks, heart attacks, strokes, and premature death in FIT PEOPLE.
I will try to find a video I know showing a device measuring PM2.5 counts as the bearer walks through a station down to the trains.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/51159982
Hold that thought. Did you know that the kerbside PM2.5 pollution in certain areas of Central London approaches that every day? and the big shocker is that the PM2.5 count in the Underground has measured way over that figure. Prolonged exposure can result in asthma attacks, heart attacks, strokes, and premature death in FIT PEOPLE.
I will try to find a video I know showing a device measuring PM2.5 counts as the bearer walks through a station down to the trains.