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I’ve not heard of these heat pumps before..........Sounds interesting. Is this a new phenomenon recently developed.? I’ve obviously heard of the wind turbines although I didn’t know they couldn’t operate properly with winds over 30 miles an hour..ish. Or have I got that wrong.?
 
I’ve not heard of these heat pumps before..........Sounds interesting. Is this a new phenomenon recently developed.? I’ve obviously heard of the wind turbines although I didn’t know they couldn’t operate properly with winds over 30 miles an hour..ish. Or have I got that wrong.?
Are you extracting the wee wee Beddo? I've a feeling you haven't got it wrong {again). Not new but certainly underdeveloped technology. A simple search brings up this:-
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The heat pump was described by Lord Kelvin in 1853 and developed by Peter Ritter von Rittinger in 1855. After experimenting with a freezer, Robert C. Webber built the first direct exchange ground-source heat pump in the late 1940s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump.
May I respectfully suggest you do your own (inset your choice of expletive here) research.
 
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Having said that (and I am no big car manufacturer fan) - Toyota invests a lot of money into research in hydrogen cars.

Hydrogen cars have many advantages over electric cars that require charging, such as refueling time. I think it has a lot of potential.
Actually that's their one advantage. And that is dubious too, because the stations have to have pressurised tanks and at present they can only cope with 7 cars per hour.
EDIT later: Sorry, meant to say that they do have a small advantage with range at present. But they have many, many disadvantages. When I've eaten my evening meal I'll do a pros and cons of either. But look at the previously posted video on hydrogen from Real Engineering.
 
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Are you extracting the wee wee Beddo? I've a feeling you haven't got it wrong {again). Not new but certainly underdeveloped technology. A simple search brings up this:-
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The heat pump was described by Lord Kelvin in 1853 and developed by Peter Ritter von Rittinger in 1855. After experimenting with a freezer, Robert C. Webber built the first direct exchange ground-source heat pump in the late 1940s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump.
May I respectfully suggest you do your own (inset your choice of expletive here) research.

no Im not I promise............I have never heard of heat being taken from seawater before.
 
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Also, pretty much everything is wrapped in plastic, of which we recycle the clear plastic but don’t recycle coloured plastic, of which there is quite a substantial amount.
A simple rule change insisting on the use of clear plastic would at least enable it all to be recycled.

this makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Not because of you St B, but because the message is just not been received out there.

Plastic can be recycled no matter what colour it is.

The media are a disgrace as they are misinforming everyone. It is time they started to turn on the governments and focus on the real solution which is getting recycling done correctly, following better education (or help) for the public. It’s really not difficult
 
While this forum decides whether being concerned about the climate crisis is worthy of sticky inclusion, I'll share another video posted just today by Just Have A Think. Dave, the YTer who started the channel, has done a lot of new research on this one, and it's extra special because it touches individual households who make a difference:

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YT channels like Dave's are way ahead of mainstream news, who are often upto several years behind the current state of the art. Plus, often being highly inaccurate too. Dave's is a serious environmental channel, with well researched valid information, presented in his own friendly way.

he is good, but I still take exception to his mistake (or deliberate oversight) on plastic bottles. If he had played fair in that I’d have had more respect for him.

yes, too low a % of plastic bottles become recycled back into plastic bottles, but they do end up back recycled in other plastic applications.

See above post. If government laid down the law and helped people learn how and what to recycle, we could recycle it all.
 
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Here's one for you. Now we had this conversation at work about the overuse of plastics. One of the biggest industries in the world now is the gaming industry. Stop selling games in disc form. Make games digital download only.

There is not an overuse of plastic (yes in some Areas like toy packaging, but there should be more use overall), but there is an under recycling of plastic. Change human behaviour before we throw the baby out with the bath water
 
Does anyone remember Icelands wanting to go plastic free from their brand by 2023?
Well here's something that you probably don't know. Now I'm a butcher in a frozen meat factory and we do a few jobs for Iceland in their plastic packaging at the moment. They still want us to supply for them but we have to put it in our own brand for them to sell. They basically have us by the balls because we will lose out in hundreds of thousands of pounds if we don't do it. Big companies using small companies to take the fall and make themselves look good. Here's the link https://about.iceland.co.uk/plastic-free-by-2023/

Their CEO got panned at a packaging show about a month after that announcement 2 years back. He later came out and admitted they couldn’t have a plastic free supermarket as the plastic is too important
 
this makes me want to bang my head against a wall. Not because of you St B, but because the message is just not been received out there.

Plastic can be recycled no matter what colour it is.

The media are a disgrace as they are misinforming everyone. It is time they started to turn on the governments and focus on the real solution which is getting recycling done correctly, following better education (or help) for the public. It’s really not difficult

Am I mistaken.........somewhere didn’t I read that plastic bottles were going to have some sort of charge put about them. (I assumed like it used to be with glass bottles lemonade and the like)? I also understood that more recycling plants were being set up for plastic in general.
 
Thanks mate. Do you want me to slit my throat now?

Not particularly mate, there's much more humane ways.



I wasn't necessarily advocating it to be honest, just raising the point - which I notice everyone has ignored.
 
Not particularly mate, there's much more humane ways.


I wasn't necessarily advocating it to be honest, just raising the point - which I notice everyone has ignored.

“And cull everyone over say, 75?”

That should be done before every General Election to counter the biased reporting in their newspaper of choice. :bandit:

I didn't:-
Card bearing comrades excepted! And gobby old farts who post ****e on here.
 
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no Im not I promise............I have never heard of heat being taken from seawater before.
Doesn't have to be seawater either. It can be river water. In fact, preferably river water. 1] Non corrosive water. 2] Feeds the oceans anyway. 3] Many, many people live on floodplains, hence they live in the vicinity of a river. Because of our living habits we are actually warming our rivers. Why not take the heat back out. Super efficient. I won't mention percentages because it may blow your mind. I'll just repost a video on heat pumps from Robert Llewellyn's Fully Charged Show from Youtube. You will almost certainly see why I love heat pumps. Very old technology - Lord Kelvin era:

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Am I mistaken.........somewhere didn’t I read that plastic bottles were going to have some sort of charge put about them. (I assumed like it used to be with glass bottles lemonade and the like)? I also understood that more recycling plants were being set up for plastic in general.
There was never a "charge" for glass bottles. A refund, yes. Yes, there once was recycling of glass before recycling was a buzzword.
 
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“And cull everyone over say, 75?”

That should be done before every General Election to counter the biased reporting in their newspaper of choice. :bandit:

I didn't:-
Card bearing comrades excepted! And gobby old farts who post ****e on here.

Fair point, I stand corrected!
 
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