Off Topic The Deep State

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Does the Deep State exist?


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So what is this deep state? Don't tel me it's a bunch of business men and elected officials working hand-in-hand for their own ends, as that's a news story as old as civilization, and not news at all
 
Deep state is also all the researcher, Drs and people who know about the cancer cure.

but are all kept quiet.
 
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Here is the deep state in realtime ;)

Former CIA Director John Brennan (this what an actual psychopath looks like) So CNN hired him last year. Brennan has had god knows how many people killed in his career.
Sounds to me like what really scares him is not Trump doing mad ****, he is worried Trump might start declassifying a few things.
He wants Trump 25th'd out of office asap
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If he does that he'll look even more like Putin's bitch than his current actions do.
 
cba to read all of this, suffice to say that the 'Deep State' as Trump has coined it, is pure bollocks. That's him acting like a **** because Govt officials won't run roughshod over democratic principles, regardless of who's in power.

In the UK we have a civil service and permanent secretaries, these people are crucial to the smooth running of Govt, again whoever is in power, regardless of party political yearnings.

The idea that the Govt run a secret shadow govt is pure fantasy. They can't even run a transparent govt properly, let alone a secondary one in secret.

Do billionaires and influential financiers control policy making, you bet they do. They lobby hard to influence ministers and they throw a lot of money and effort to make sure policy is designed to protect their interests.
 
That turned out to be complete bollocks.

The Senate committee is currently putting McCabe through the ringer over the FBI's corrupt handling of the investigation into Trump. I love watching that crook squirm.
No, it didn't: https://www.axios.com/trump-associa...ons-206295a1-5abc-4573-be25-4da19d9adcc9.html

Carter Page was involved with a Russian spy ring before Trump even hired him.
They called him an idiot on intercepted messages.
Paul Manafort worked with Ukraine's Russian puppet before he got ousted by the locals and did a runner to Rostov.
Trump still hired him.
 
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What I do know is that they suppress alternative medicinal treatments now which have some weight of evidence to show they work. Cannabis is a great example. I've literally seen doctors condescend and laugh off cancer patients to their face who have asked about it. And that's just the front line. In the back ground they won't entertain the idea of even looking at the research and its impact. So instead people have to take desperate measures off their own backs when they're at their most vulnerable.


Yeah, now I’m not one to wade in with an opinion on this.
But when you want to look at the flip side. Cannabis/cannabis derived products can help/cure. But Drs are not trained/paid to promote.....

big Pharma holds them back.....

the government can’t make money......

absolute bollocks. They can just legalise/control through pharmaceutical companies and licence the researchers and development to take in the money IF it worked. Then sell the rights for generic manufacture/supply once required.

Aspirin is a natural derived medicine

out of the 250-300 medicines the WHO see as crucial/basic/essential, 10% are plant based/derived.
There is a name for alternative medicine, it’s called medicine!


About 12 years ago I did a lot of deathbed desperation searching for ways that would ‘heal’ my failed kidneys, saw lots of claims for natural remedies/cures.

and let me tell you, if you believe and pray hard enough, that **** still won’t help.
 
Yeah, now I’m not one to wade in with an opinion on this.
But when you want to look at the flip side. Cannabis/cannabis derived products can help/cure. But Drs are not trained/paid to promote.....

big Pharma holds them back.....

the government can’t make money......

absolute bollocks. They can just legalise/control through pharmaceutical companies and licence the researchers and development to take in the money IF it worked. Then sell the rights for generic manufacture/supply once required.

Aspirin is a natural derived medicine

out of the 250-300 medicines the WHO see as crucial/basic/essential, 10% are plant based/derived.
There is a name for alternative medicine, it’s called medicine!


About 12 years ago I did a lot of deathbed desperation searching for ways that would ‘heal’ my failed kidneys, saw lots of claims for natural remedies/cures.

and let me tell you, if you believe and pray hard enough, that **** still won’t help.

The government won't legalise it though. And I appreciate the doctors won't promote it but there's no mature discussion with patients which I saw. It seemed more snobbish and condescending, even scoffing at the suggestion... to someone who as you described was at deathbed desperation.

I agree with the rest, there's definitely enough snake oil merchants out there as well.
 
Yeah, now I’m not one to wade in with an opinion on this.
But when you want to look at the flip side. Cannabis/cannabis derived products can help/cure. But Drs are not trained/paid to promote.....

big Pharma holds them back.....

the government can’t make money......

absolute bollocks. They can just legalise/control through pharmaceutical companies and licence the researchers and development to take in the money IF it worked. Then sell the rights for generic manufacture/supply once required.

Aspirin is a natural derived medicine

out of the 250-300 medicines the WHO see as crucial/basic/essential, 10% are plant based/derived.
There is a name for alternative medicine, it’s called medicine!


About 12 years ago I did a lot of deathbed desperation searching for ways that would ‘heal’ my failed kidneys, saw lots of claims for natural remedies/cures.

and let me tell you, if you believe and pray hard enough, that **** still won’t help.

I think I saw you say something about your kidneys once before, can I ask, are you on dialysis?
 
Big pharma is a right bastard.

Thankfully they used natural sources to perfect anti rejection medication that saves thousands every year. Allows less well matched renal transplants to work and last longer. More heart transplants, lung, liver and kidney....small and large bowels, pancreas.....
 
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The government won't legalise it though. And I appreciate the doctors won't promote it but there's no mature discussion with patients which I saw. It seemed more snobbish and condescending, even scoffing at the suggestion... to someone who as you described was at deathbed desperation.

I agree with the rest, there's definitely enough snake oil merchants out there as well.
How did you see the interactions with Dr/patient?
 
I think I saw you say something about your kidneys once before, can I ask, are you on dialysis?
I think I saw you say something about your kidneys once before, can I ask, are you on dialysis?

not anymore, transplanted and have a suppressed immune system from natural derived medicines(believe one started as an anti fungal)that work due to control and long standing research.

dialysis is another big pharma cash cow if you believe the US patients and ‘cure’ salesmen.

wouldn’t wish dialysis on my worst enemy, it’s no life, it’s ****ing horrible. But it keeps you going and gives transplant hope.

Lance Armstrong doors and won 7 TdF titles using EPO, I took 4 times his Weekly dose and couldn’t walk up stairs.
 
How did you see the interactions with Dr/patient?

Because it was my mrs mate.

To add to what you posted about using natural sources to perfect anti-rejection medication, the pharmas do amazing things, save lives and you're right it should be recognised <ok>

I think there are other things such as stem cell transplants and general immunotherapy which is also ground-breaking work which will quickly save thousands as well. The only problem is, the UK seems to lag behind most countries in terms of delivering it... although tbf you have to pay through the nose everywhere else. Having said that, in a lot of cases you can't get it in the UK even if you want to pay for it.
 
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The government won't legalise it though. And I appreciate the doctors won't promote it but there's no mature discussion with patients which I saw. It seemed more snobbish and condescending, even scoffing at the suggestion... to someone who as you described was at deathbed desperation.

I agree with the rest, there's definitely enough snake oil merchants out there as well.

That's why things like Cannabis need legalising imo. So that their derivatives used in health care products can be properly evaluated and licenced. The UK has got a good track record of ensuring that medication is rigorously tested and licenced for safe and effective use. I know it costs a shed load of money to do, and it's only the large corps that end up being able to afford to manufacture and distribute these things. But it cuts out the snake oil salesmen and have a go herbalists.

Trouble is, some folk are now so paranoid about pharma that they treat all of it with suspicion and mistrust, despite reaping the benefits of decades of testing and safe practice. You've got people now who are scared ****less about the new Covid vaccines coming online, but are more than willing to take a punt on some untested herbal remedies they buy off ebay.

Or those still who are convinced that a new vaccine is designed to kill them, but have spent the last two decades happily buying bags of dust for £20 off of blokes with no teeth called Kev in the car park of dodgy pubs <laugh>
 
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not anymore, transplanted and have a suppressed immune system from natural derived medicines(believe one started as an anti fungal)that work due to control and long standing research.

dialysis is another big pharma cash cow if you believe the US patients and ‘cure’ salesmen.

wouldn’t wish dialysis on my worst enemy, it’s no life, it’s ****ing horrible. But it keeps you going and gives transplant hope.

Lance Armstrong doors and won 7 TdF titles using EPO, I took 4 times his Weekly dose and couldn’t walk up stairs.

So what caused you to lose both kidneys, was it when you was young?
 
So what caused you to lose both kidneys, was it when you was young?

never knew I had a problem, went away with the Mrs for a two week in Mexico on it.

came back feeling a bit worn down, few weeks passed and still not great. Went to GO and BP was a bit high, took some blood.
Was playing football with guys from work on a Friday evening, blowing out my arse (spent spring/summer training for GNR so was fit)

Mrs comes driving up, said Drs after me. So sat in Drs at 6:45PM in sweaty football gear and he is telling me to take this letter to A&E and they will sort me out.
An hour later I’m on a renal ward discussing my dialysis options at Sheffield Northern General. Have a genetic condition that breaks down the small filters in the kidney.

****ed!
 
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But religions and their rituals are trying to spread a message. They're trying to attract attention.

Deep State are clandestine organisations who don't want anyone knowing what they're up to?

Firstly some religious groups openly parade its doors open some on the other hand are well underground.

Secondly the deep state doesn't hide from no fkr as they know an apathetic public will Bury heads(look around you) and only a minority will call it out who then get bullied into boxes of so called racists and conspiracy fake news lunatics.

Some call you anti semitic for calling Israel and its right-wing ideology an abomination an a crime against humanity ......this use of silencing includes Jewish people who don't agree with the atrocities that have been made against Palestinians in thy name.
 
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That's why things like Cannabis need legalising imo. So that their derivatives used in health care products can be properly evaluated and licenced. The UK has got a good track record of ensuring that medication is rigorously tested and licenced for safe and effective use. I know it costs a shed load of money to do, and it's only the large corps that end up being able to afford to manufacture and distribute these things. But it cuts out the snake oil salesmen and have a go herbalists.

Trouble is, some folk are now so paranoid about pharma that they treat all of it with suspicion and mistrust, despite reaping the benefits of decades of testing and safe practice. You've got people now who are scared ****less about the new Covid vaccines coming online, but are more than willing to take a punt on some untested herbal remedies they buy off ebay.

Or those still who are convinced that a new vaccine is designed to kill them, but have spent the last two decades happily buying bags of dust for £20 off of blokes with no teeth called Kev in the car park of dodgy pubs <laugh>

I think both the points you made are spot on. I'd rather a robust and stringent process for ensuring firstly the R & D ensures the medicine is going to be effective and then the medicine itself is the most effective it can be, including managing how it is administered.

And on your second point, it's also about the middle-class vote. Don't want to be the ones who legalised drugs!
 
Because it was my mrs mate.

To add to what you posted about using natural sources to perfect anti-rejection medication, the pharmas do amazing things, save lives and you're right it should be recognised <ok>

I think there are other things such as stem cell transplants and general immunotherapy which is also ground-breaking work which will quickly save thousands as well. The only problem is, the UK seems to lag behind most countries in terms of delivering it... although tbf you have to pay through the nose everywhere else. Having said that, in a lot of cases you can't get it in the UK even if you want to pay for it.


You should see my tax and NI mate. I ****ing pay for it that’s for sure.
The U.K. doesn’t hold back, but it’s trying to do the best it can. I have had world class treatment and care.

natural remedies/treatments when correctly controlled are proven. As I said, 10% of key medicines in world are derived from plants
 
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