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[Eamon Holmes]

2) HR! This problem goes back to appointing him as a replacment to Hughes. The Premier should have been written off at that point & the job given to a manager with long term aims.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Could you imagine the furore amongst the supporters if someone was brought in with "long term aims" who then failed to keep us up? You wouldn't be able to tell the supporters that it had been decided to write-off the season - given up - and would start again next season.

Who would take such a job? No up-and-coming manager would touch us with a barge pole if that was on the table.

This is actually what happened with Harry. We went down and had to start rebuilding. There were a lot of tossers (brought in by NW and MH) that had to go. He had to rebuild.

Maybe we should have taken two of three years to rebuild the club/team in the Championship, but then you start looking at the teams who have been relegated (or come within a whisker of it) almost immediately down to Div 1.

Look at the bottom 5 in the Championship this week. Birmingham, Wigan, Fulham, Blackpool, Bolton. It was not so long ago since they were in the Premiership.

Harry did what was asked of him. Straight back to the premiership (more by luck than judgement in the end) but we HAD to get back for financial reasons alone.

Once again it is players not performing that have got us in a mess. Tactics may have been wrong - naive even, but when your players can't be bothered to try to execute the orders they have been given then there is a serious problem.

I would rather see them go out and give 100% and then turn round and say "Look, this isn't working" than just think between themselves that "These tactics ain't going to work so I can't be bothered".

The warning signs were there when it was the players who pushed Harry to change from 3-5-2 because the players didn't like/want it ... but in the two 4-0 defeats few actually put a shift in.

TF, the ball is in your court. Make your decision.

 

[Kampala Hoop]

HR HAS to GO in the next day or so , with all the other cronies in the Coaching set up , clean sweep now and get in Pullis , a motivator that will kick some backsides with pleasure when they don't get their act together. Get Taarabt in the side and free his role with a feeder into Austin

Cant argue with this.

The players are not fit, Adel doesnt train. You're his boss Harry, either make him train or look at why he doesnt want to train/work with you. Someone like Pulis would completely turn this squad around in terms of fitness and instantly get an 'us against them' mentality. I am not saying it will be pretty football, but really, what do we have now? I actually hate watching us, its uninspiring, boring and depressing.

Get your finger out TF, its on you as much as it is the rest of them.

 

[rangercol]

It's a tricky one Nines. I have been a big supporter of TF and still believe that he is trying his best and genuinely cares. I don't get the personal dislike that Danish, Imaz, Rhino and Telford have.

But the fact is he has been mugged on the football side time and time again, he has trusted 'football people' who have no interest in anything but themselves, and certainly not the mid/long term future of the club. He has put his money where his mouth is, and I, as a fan, would have probably made all the same mistakes if I had the money. Off the pitch we have the grand plans and no delivery. Slightly unfair because capital projects take time, but he has created a rod for his own back by constantly communicating about things which take a glacial amount of time to deliver.

For me the two biggest mistakes have been the training ground - and more specifically not getting our Academy to the top level in 3 years, something he was committed to and something which is critical to the future of a club like ours; and not getting rid of Redknapp in May 2012, appointing a younger manager with a plan, taking the hit and admitting we may have spent 3 seasons (or more) in the championship trying to build something durable with a spirit and identity, on sound finances. I completely understand the desperation to get back to the Prem as soon as possible, but it has just embedded the financial whirlpool we are trapped in.

He doesn't deserve the dire and spineless football he has been rewarded with. If he and the other investors pull out I can only pray that they hold their hands up, write off the debt and leave us enough to pay any FFP legacy. I don't think they will go, but we really need to calm this down, and spend some time reflecting on what type of club we are and what that means to the way we are run. For example, I don't think there is a hope in hell that we can fill a 40,000 stadium, even in the Prem with cheap seats. But we do need 15 acres for a new stadium, and that shouldn't be tied to getting another 830 acres for a property development.

As we stand our footballing future (for the next 3-5 years) is tied to a bunch of bought in, young(ish) players - Fer, Mutch, Phillips, Austin, Hoilett, Caulker, McCarthy. I've seen enough of Traore and Onuoha (who is no longer young anyway) not to even hope of much more from them. They have to deliver on the pitch, either to keep us up, or to enhance their own reputations so we can sell them for profit.

And please, if we are adrift at January, let's not throw more money at it. In fact, I'm tempted to give Redknapp until then, painful as it will be, dump him before he throws any more cash away, get the next generation in (lets take a risk, Paul Clement) do not ask them to keep us up, but just gain some Prem experience as they start renewing the football side from the ground up.

A short note on my standing on TF & HR.

1) I still have no idea if I am pro or anti TF. I will always love him for ridding us of the terrible threesome, but I do feel that it is valid to ask what his reasons were for doing so.

There is a very good case for arguing that we were purchased for business reasons rather than for running a fotball club. It is very possible the promotion of the Tune Group etc. was the long term gain of ownwership of Queens Park Rangers. If Old Oak goes ahead under their proposals, the financial gain would dwarf the losses on the football side.

This is where I'm undecided. Is this good for the future & the stability of my club?

2) HR! This problem goes back to appointing him as a replacment to Hughes. The Premier should have been written off at that point & the job given to a manager with long term aims.

I would be very happy for TF to sack HR, KB, JJ & GH today but PLEASE don't immediately replace then by quickly hiring Pulis, Moyes or anybody else for the short term.

Take your time & then commit to a manager that will build for the future. After all, placing the team in the hands of Clint Hill or ANO for a couple of months stands more chance of working than having HR in charge!

Two very good posts.

 

[KooPeeArr]

I don't think we can ask for Pullis.

He'd do exactly what we'd want and then we'd turn on him and, expect more - better football or a longer term plan and we'd be in the same position in the future of wanting to get rid of a manager irrespective of any success from the previous year.

My preference would be Moyes - he's been through relegation scraps and has got improvements year on year from teams. The debacle with Man U just makes him a realistic target and that was always going to be a poison chalice anyway.

 

[qprbeth]

It has been scientifically proven, that Moyes can only produce a team that is 6-8th best in the division.....
DO we want that


YES please!!!!!

 

[Tonythomas123]

I suppose another plus if we do get Pulis , that would mean Gerry Francis as well , and Les Ferdinand , two guys they know this club like the back of their hands

 

[Didley Squat]

I don't think we can ask for Pullis.

He'd do exactly what we'd want and then we'd turn on him and, expect more - better football or a longer term plan and we'd be in the same position in the future of wanting to get rid of a manager irrespective of any success from the previous year.

My preference would be Moyes - he's been through relegation scraps and has got improvements year on year from teams. The debacle with Man U just makes him a realistic target and that was always going to be a poison chalice anyway.

I'm starting to think we might be a poison chalice. ( sorry, I'll wash my mouth out )
Moyes would want to come in early to have a chance of keeping us up, one would think.

 

[Queenslander!!]

Once again, your answer is a riddle. I've asked the question in good faith. My apologies if you've misconstrued this as thinking that I have some authority over this issue. I don't. Me being a Mod doesn't have anything to do with it either. I'm quite surprised that you'd think it would. When have I ever purported to having a greater insight into the club and it's workings than anyone else on here?
I only ask because I like TF and I see quite a few people slating him but offer no pertinent reason as to why. I'm wondering if I'm missing something here. If you or anyone else can make a good case against Fernandes I may well be enlightened and tend to agree with you.

Same old bullshit nines...i have repeatedly asked this question of ther same poster and got the same reply as you...Loads to say but nothing to back it up...I take hima a joke now until he can put up any credible evidence or opinions....absolute waste of time as a poster. At least when i post "Anti Adel" posts, i can and do back it up.
this clown just posts rubbish and wont reply...Dont expct an answer....he doesnt have one

 

[DT Footspa]

Time to back the club lads, Time for Harold to shape up and admit his failings

Under no circumstances should we change the manager or set up IMO … It's the manager and set up ( players ) that have to put this right

I firmly believe with Taarabt and Kranky on the same pitch marshalled by Henry we will become a great side … It will make our defence look good in the end … we must create chances and goals

DT's team V Liverpool and Villa to get us sorted in record quick time


……………………..Green…………………………….

……..Onuoha…..Caulker.…. Ferdinand…..

Isla………………..Henry……………..Traore…

…………Krancjar……… Fer …….……………..

……………………..Taarabt……………………….

…………………….Austin……………………………

Subs: Barton Sandro Hoilett Phillips Vargas

City and Chelsea … currently no idea apart from Henry Barton and Sandro all need to play in that one

 

[Queenslander!!]

It's a tricky one Nines. I have been a big supporter of TF and still believe that he is trying his best and genuinely cares. I don't get the personal dislike that Danish, Imaz, Rhino and Telford have.

But the fact is he has been mugged on the football side time and time again, he has trusted 'football people' who have no interest in anything but themselves, and certainly not the mid/long term future of the club. He has put his money where his mouth is, and I, as a fan, would have probably made all the same mistakes if I had the money. Off the pitch we have the grand plans and no delivery. Slightly unfair because capital projects take time, but he has created a rod for his own back by constantly communicating about things which take a glacial amount of time to deliver.

For me the two biggest mistakes have been the training ground - and more specifically not getting our Academy to the top level in 3 years, something he was committed to and something which is critical to the future of a club like ours; and not getting rid of Redknapp in May 2012, appointing a younger manager with a plan, taking the hit and admitting we may have spent 3 seasons (or more) in the championship trying to build something durable with a spirit and identity, on sound finances. I completely understand the desperation to get back to the Prem as soon as possible, but it has just embedded the financial whirlpool we are trapped in.

He doesn't deserve the dire and spineless football he has been rewarded with. If he and the other investors pull out I can only pray that they hold their hands up, write off the debt and leave us enough to pay any FFP legacy. I don't think they will go, but we really need to calm this down, and spend some time reflecting on what type of club we are and what that means to the way we are run. For example, I don't think there is a hope in hell that we can fill a 40,000 stadium, even in the Prem with cheap seats. But we do need 15 acres for a new stadium, and that shouldn't be tied to getting another 830 acres for a property development.

As we stand our footballing future (for the next 3-5 years) is tied to a bunch of bought in, young(ish) players - Fer, Mutch, Phillips, Austin, Hoilett, Caulker, McCarthy. I've seen enough of Traore and Onuoha (who is no longer young anyway) not to even hope of much more from them. They have to deliver on the pitch, either to keep us up, or to enhance their own reputations so we can sell them for profit.

And please, if we are adrift at January, let's not throw more money at it. In fact, I'm tempted to give Redknapp until then, painful as it will be, dump him before he throws any more cash away, get the next generation in (lets take a risk, Paul Clement) do not ask them to keep us up, but just gain some Prem experience as they start renewing the football side from the ground up.

Great post Stan....Paukl Clment gets my vote every time...

Respect

 

[Shawswood]

'Is sacking the answer. When we let mark Hughes go we still went down. Is it tactics, is it players, is it coaching, is it fitness

When we lost Remy 48hrs before deadline it was huge huge blow. Huge blow. But we fight on. Stop sending me ridiculous tweets.

I love the Remy comments. Remy was staying, he was in my house to sign the extention. Then Chelsea called. What back up pls

Yeah I can pull out a striker in 24hrs. We tried damn hard with borini. So please tell me what you would have done. Damned easy to be armchair critics.

Look at the stats. The goal was never a goal. Took the wind out of us. The second goal was against the run of play. No excuses. We still should have done better'

 

[finglasqpr]

Think I've had enough of Man United rejects. That's a no from me to Moyes.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

Twins, did Tony just tweet that?

 

[qprbeth]

TF tweets this am, has him supporting Arry through and through.
Arry is not going nowhere.

So sad..

 

[sb_73]

Twins, did Tony just tweet that?

Sadly, yes.

Still, his co-owners convinced him to sack Hughes (or, more accurately, out voted him), so all is not lost.

 

[Bush Rhino]

Thanks for your efforts Telford. At least you've taken some time to lay out what the heck is going on with TF and our club.

However, this is the bit I still don't get. Why is TF still the bogeyman?

If you removed the FFP bit, which has still to be upheld. Would this still be the case?

Nines nobody is going to convince you are they, Trouble is you're not convincing us he's any good. A few have listed some of his failings, leaving the promotion day aside what has Tony got right?

We are all entitled to an opinion but more and more are seeing through the nauseating speeches & Tweets.

For what its worth Phil Beard has cost this club a fortune learning how to become a chief Exec, Tony could have got someone with experience but chose the manager of the O2 Area instead. That is why I have no faith in Tony.

Phil Beard is pissing a lot of people off but at the moment, Tony's silence is deafening. If you think Harry has a problem with nepotism you may wish to crane your neck and take a look at the top of the club as well.

 

[Stroller]

'Is sacking the answer. When we let mark Hughes go we still went down.'

Yes, because you replaced him with bleeding Redknapp.

We will be relegated again unless you get rid very soon.

 

[terryb]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Could you imagine the furore amongst the supporters if someone was brought in with "long term aims" who then failed to keep us up? You wouldn't be able to tell the supporters that it had been decided to write-off the season - given up - and would start again next season.

Who would take such a job? No up-and-coming manager would touch us with a barge pole if that was on the table.

This is actually what happened with Harry. We went down and had to start rebuilding. There were a lot of tossers (brought in by NW and MH) that had to go. He had to rebuild.

Maybe we should have taken two of three years to rebuild the club/team in the Championship, but then you start looking at the teams who have been relegated (or come within a whisker of it) almost immediately down to Div 1.

Look at the bottom 5 in the Championship this week. Birmingham, Wigan, Fulham, Blackpool, Bolton. It was not so long ago since they were in the Premiership.

Harry did what was asked of him. Straight back to the premiership (more by luck than judgement in the end) but we HAD to get back for financial reasons alone.

Once again it is players not performing that have got us in a mess. Tactics may have been wrong - naive even, but when your players can't be bothered to try to execute the orders they have been given then there is a serious problem.

I would rather see them go out and give 100% and then turn round and say "Look, this isn't working" than just think between themselves that "These tactics ain't going to work so I can't be bothered".

The warning signs were there when it was the players who pushed Harry to change from 3-5-2 because the players didn't like/want it ... but in the two 4-0 defeats few actually put a shift in.

TF, the ball is in your court. Make your decision.

That might be hindsight for you Eamon, but it is what I stated at the time.

I think you would be suprised at how many of us would have gladly accepted relegation provided we built for the future.

You ask who would have taken the job on knowing there was a good chance of relegation?
The answer to that is virtually every manager that wasn't then in the Premier. The answer would be the same now!

They would all back themselves to suceed where all others have failed.

We did not need to be promoted straightaway. That became a reqirement because of the expenditure we made in the transfer windows after Hughes had gone, chasing a possibility that was already out of sight.

 

[Telford Ranger]

Thanks for your efforts Telford. At least you've taken some time to lay out what the heck is going on with TF and our club.

However, this is the bit I still don't get. Why is TF still the bogeyman?

If you removed the FFP bit, which has still to be upheld. Would this still be the case?

Yes it would. Even discounting FFP, he's quintupled our debt in little over four years with absolutely nothing to show for it. Does anybody really think we were in worse shape on or off the pitch before Warnock fell foul of Global Branding? All this talk of managers having him over a barrel and forcing him to spend money is nothing short of bizarre to me. We've had guns held at heads in the boardroom before but this isn't one of those times. Look again at the figures I posted above, especially after Fernandes took over. Who thinks we're going to come close to clearing these debts on gates of 18,000?

At any time Fernandes could and should have said no to this absurd spending before it came anywhere close to where we are now. For me he had an obligation to do so. "We cannot afford this now or for the foreseeable future" would have been the correct approach. He's a reckless and irresponsible gambler.

(And before anyone says it. Yes I know the debts are internal. But debts have to be repaid at some point. The worry is what's the point of no return for these investors - for example, is the whole thing predicated on this potential property development - and what happens should we get there?)

 

[Queenslander!!]

Yes it would. Even discounting FFP, he's quintupled our debt in little over four years with absolutely nothing to show for it. Does anybody really think we were in worse shape on or off the pitch before Warnock fell foul of Global Branding? All this talk of managers having him over a barrel and forcing him to spend money is nothing short of bizarre to me. We've had guns held at heads in the boardroom before but this isn't one of those times. Look again at the figures I posted above, especially after Fernandes took over. Who thinks we're going to come close to clearing these debts on gates of 18,000?

At any time Fernandes could and should have said no to this absurd spending before it came anywhere close to where we are now. For me he had an obligation to do so. "We cannot afford this now or for the foreseeable future" would have been the correct approach. He's a reckless and irresponsible gambler.

(And before anyone says it. Yes I know the debts are internal. But debts have to be repaid at some point. The worry is what's the point of no return for these investors - for example, is the whole thing predicated on this potential property development - and what happens should we get there?)

So we should have said "no, we have no money" and just become anoher Brentford....

you got any sense of drive or progression..what do you do for a living?