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I think blaming Marshall for our recent form is completely ludicrous. I can barely remember a goal that was his fault, and I am pretty certain he didn't tell his defence and midfield just to give up on Saturday.

Whether he should of been dropped or not is a different debate. If you believe Jakupovic shouldn't of been dropped surely you believe Marshall shouldn't be? Jakupovic did nothing wrong to be dropped but neither did Marshall, so why would you drop Marshall?

The logic can't work both ways.

On the team for Stoke.

I don't think 3-5-2 suits Snodgrass and he is our best player and most important player. However, it looks like this is the only way to go based on the players we have.

Marshall
Elmo Dawson Maguire Davies Clucas
Huddlestone Mason Livermore
Hernandez Mbokani
 
4tiger said:
It's a worrying sign when some people are calling on Jakupovic to restore defensive solidity. I'd go 5-3-2

Marshall
Elmo Livermore Maguire Davies Tymon
Henriksen Huddlestone Clucas
Mbokani Hernandez

Livermore has looked decent at centre back and it's probably too soon to bring Dawson back in. Huddlestone in there to keep the ball better and Henriksen for attacking threat from midfield. 2 strikers always cause problems and at least when we hoof it up it might actually stick. Give Tymon a go, at least he is a left back/wingback and he won't be any worse than Clucas who is a lot better in the centre of midfield.

Edit: completely forgot we have Mason. Him in for Clucas maybe although that'd be harsh given Clucas actually tried on Saturday.
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I would say it's more worrying ignoring Marshall has shipped in all these goals.
 
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over18and legal said:
I would say it's more worrying ignoring Marshall has shipped in all these goals.
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The only goal he's been at fault for was the first one against Bournemouth. We've played Liverpool away with 10 men, 2 of which were pens. Chelsea at home where they scored 2 class finishes in the top corner and then Bournemouth where we capitulated. It would have been no different if Jakupovic was in goal. And Jakupovic has proved he's never more than a few games from a glaring mistake. Marshall needs a good run in the side, give him the confidence he is our number one.

It's what's going on in front of the goalkeepers that is more worrying
 
4tiger said:
The only goal he's been at fault for was the first one against Bournemouth. We've played Liverpool away with 10 men, 2 of which were pens. Chelsea at home where they scored 2 class finishes in the top corner and then Bournemouth where we capitulated. It would have been no different if Jakupovic was in goal. And Jakupovic has proved he's never more than a few games from a glaring mistake. Marshall needs a good run in the side, give him the confidence he is our number one.

It's what's going on in front of the goalkeepers that is more worrying
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Best goalkeeper we have for saving pens is........drum-roll...wait for it.........THE JAK
 
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over18and legal said:
Best goalkeeper we have for saving pens is........drum-roll...wait for it.........THE JAK
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Do you not think we should maybe concentrate on not giving penalties away in the first place rather than playing a goalkeeper that's got a decent record of saving them if we do? We could quite conceivably not concede another penalty all season and then your playing your second choice every game just in case?
 
4tiger said:
Do you not think we should maybe concentrate on not giving penalties away in the first place rather than playing a goalkeeper that's got a decent record of saving them if we do? We could quite conceivably not concede another penalty all season and then your playing your second choice every game just in case?
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I don't agree Jak is second choice.

Players play the game...they don't think "oh I better not give a penalty away". Hopefully they think "let's stop the bastards from scoring".
I like a goalie who attempts to save the penalty that his team has conceded.

Let us beg to differ on this one 4Tiger....you prefer Marshall and I prefer Jak:emoticon-0150-hands
 
over18and legal said:
I don't agree Jak is second choice.

Players play the game...they don't think "oh I better not give a penalty away". Hopefully they think "let's stop the bastards from scoring".
I like a goalie who attempts to save the penalty that his team has conceded.

Let us beg to differ on this one 4Tiger....you prefer Marshall and I prefer Jak:emoticon-0150-hands
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I think it's clear Marshall is first choice, not to say he'll deifintely stay that but at the moment he is. And I'm pretty sure players try not to give penalties away.

If you prefer Jakupovic thats fair enough but I don't think he's shown enough, or more Marshall hasn't done bad enough, for him to come back in.
 
Who was to blame?

How did davies turn into a pumpkin overnight??

1-0 Daniels unmarked - Snodgrass ballwatching
2-1 Cook header - Maguire didn't pick him up
3-1 Stanislas pen - Snodgrass rash challenge
4-1 Stanislas completely unmarked, where's the RB? Elmohamady
5-1 Wilson - Davies went AWOL
6-1 Gosling - Clucas not close enough

Davies let Cook in for another header which Marshall saved at 3-1 too.. far too many free headers on saturday
 
City1904 said:
I think blaming Marshall for our recent form is completely ludicrous. I can barely remember a goal that was his fault, and I am pretty certain he didn't tell his defence and midfield just to give up on Saturday.

Whether he should of been dropped or not is a different debate. If you believe Jakupovic shouldn't of been dropped surely you believe Marshall shouldn't be? Jakupovic did nothing wrong to be dropped but neither did Marshall, so why would you drop Marshall?

The logic can't work both ways.

On the team for Stoke.

I don't think 3-5-2 suits Snodgrass and he is our best player and most important player. However, it looks like this is the only way to go based on the players we have.

Marshall
Elmo Dawson Maguire Davies Clucas
Huddlestone Mason Livermore
Hernandez Mbokani
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The first goal on Saturday was definitely a result of Marshalls mistake
 
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