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Great point. We often forget that these players can be in control of their own destiny. A lot of the education they receive these days as very junior players does focus on prudent,independant financial management. Not all of them are completely bereft of basic common sense. Perhaps more need to develop the mindset that an agent is there to help and advise,not to control or dictate.

Tell you what mate.
Even at 17/18 year old there’s no way I’d have been wearing an agent trying to run my life and engineering a move every year.
**** that.
 
Tell you what mate.
Even at 17/18 year old there’s no way I’d have been wearing an agent trying to run my life and engineering a move every year.
**** that.

Not everyone has your strength of character mate,unfortunately. A lot of these players have had everything done for them since they were very young. Half of them don't know how to do anything basic,like when to get their car serviced or how to insure their property. Picking the bones out of a contract I can understand.... most of us would need sound advice and guidance.....,but,the Svengali hold some of the players have got themselves into is crazy. As someone else said,it's an odds on bet a lot of them move clubs,not because they want to,but because they're persuaded it's best.
 
Yep. An old problem and it's getting worse.

But players are men, and the agent works for them. Too often the agent behaves like some Svengali figure and controls the player, at no risk; he just moves onto another player and can ignore his other player's bad fortune. As in Stewart.

Players need to think for themselves. They'll have to when they aren't playing any longer, so get on with it now.
Think it was Keane said a lot of the man utd players that came through the youth team used agents linked with the PFA and he said he could deal with them all day as they were only interested in the players welfare
 
Not everyone has your strength of character mate,unfortunately. A lot of these players have had everything done for them since they were very young. Half of them don't know how to do anything basic,like when to get their car serviced or how to insure their property. Picking the bones out of a contract I can understand.... most of us would need sound advice and guidance.....,but,the Svengali hold some of the players have got themselves into is crazy. As someone else said,it's an odds on bet a lot of them move clubs,not because they want to,but because they're persuaded it's best.

You might be right mate, upbringing I suppose. I was taught to stand on my own two feet early on.
I’m 58 now and my two sons are men and I’ve brought them up the same.
Independent and whilst being prepared to listen ultimately make their own mind up on their futures.
 
It's all relative though. Compared to what some lads in the PL are getting paid it will feel like peanuts and that's the issue we have. Teams like Stoke can afford/are prepared to pay the likes of Dwight Gayle £40-60k per week. That blows us out the water
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How can Stoke afford £40-£60k?
Surely FFP must limit what they can spend.
Apart from the 3 teams coming down (who must have huge wage bills) I would have thought we would have the highest income with our attendances and regular tv appearances.

It would be interesting to see a table of the income and outgoings for the Championship so we could see where we stand.
Is it from player sales (Coventry/Gyokeres) that other teams get more to spend because this would probably not be a regular income.
 
Think it was Keane said a lot of the man utd players that came through the youth team used agents linked with the PFA and he said he could deal with them all day as they were only interested in the players welfare

I'm sure there are agents like that...but there are those who aren't. Maybe the education for the Man U youths was better?
 
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How can Stoke afford £40-£60k?
Surely FFP must limit what they can spend.
Apart from the 3 teams coming down (who must have huge wage bills) I would have thought we would have the highest income with our attendances and regular tv appearances.

It would be interesting to see a table of the income and outgoings for the Championship so we could see where we stand.
Is it from player sales (Coventry/Gyokeres) that other teams get more to spend because this would probably not be a regular income.
Stoke sold Souttar to Leicester in January for 20mill I think it was. Every club who is spending money has made a big sale in the last 6 months and until we do that I can’t see us competing for the higher priced signings.
 
I have a 'friend' I dont have much contact with but we exchange messages about football now and again, he wished us good luck for this season.

He's an agent, based in Monaco, and openly greedy.

He says the only way to stop agents manipulating players and clubs is to have deferred payments similar to players. That would mean bonus payments if the player, going to a new club, helps gain promotion, makes a certain number of appearances, stays for each new season, etc.

The same would apply to a new contract. Otherwise a player can sign a three year deal, barely play and agitate for a move ... but the agents never loses out. He cops his fee for handling the new contract then wants the player to move so he can win again.

Deferred payments would mean the agent has more of an interest in them staying than they have now ...

... which is absolute zero.
Isn't there a new rule starting after this transfer window mate?
 
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Stoke sold Souttar to Leicester in January for 20mill I think it was. Every club who is spending money has made a big sale in the last 6 months and until we do that I can’t see us competing for the higher priced signings.
It's a catch 22 position. You want to keep your best player but to progress you sometimes need that one big transfer to allow the club to bring in 2 or 3 quality additions.
 
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How can Stoke afford £40-£60k?
Surely FFP must limit what they can spend.
Apart from the 3 teams coming down (who must have huge wage bills) I would have thought we would have the highest income with our attendances and regular tv appearances.

It would be interesting to see a table of the income and outgoings for the Championship so we could see where we stand.
Is it from player sales (Coventry/Gyokeres) that other teams get more to spend because this would probably not be a regular income.

Don't know all the details but Stoke's owner converted loads of loan to a gift, or something like that, which makes the books look like they generated more money than they do. An open bending of the rules which will probaby be closed soon but too late to affect Stoke.
 
£1 million a year to a footballer is about 400k they see ain’t it?

Hardly skint but same token if they have that for only 5-6 years of their career, then are they set for life?

All it takes is one **** investment and you can lose most of that.
More like 530k take home if they actually pay their taxes, they’ll have excellent accountants to minimise the tax paid I’m sure. That’s also not including any sponsorship deals.
 
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£20k per week appears to be our ceiling. You don't get many English players from the PL for that low a wage, hence why we are shopping abroad and for younger players.

Cheers that is a useful yardstick.

If say we had 20 players on that, it would be in the region of £20m per year.

If we had 40,000 crowds for 20 games say £20 entrance that is £16m?

£4m shortfall, just on basic figures. If £20k is the top of the range, some will be on a lot less.
 
£1 million a year to a footballer is about 400k they see ain’t it?

Hardly skint but same token if they have that for only 5-6 years of their career, then are they set for life?

All it takes is one **** investment and you can lose most of that.

We aren’t offering players £20k a week. If we were we’d have a queue lining up to sign. Wouldn’t be surprised if Ballard is now on close to that but he’ll be the only one bar Clarke being somewhere between £15-20k, but there’s certainly not 20 squad players on that so we have plenty of wiggle room. The clubs revenue could support close to that without even selling anyone, I just don’t think they will.

Ross Stewart was shopping for a house identical to one that I was looking at buying on the same estate a while back, I’m sure he ended up buying it and I by no means earn what I consider to be a lot - certainly not footballer money, maybe league two. He’s not on life changing money and he’s got a few good years left in him, nobody can begrudge him wanting to get the best contract.

Can’t remember who mentioned it now but Stoke aren’t paying Gayle £40-60k a week either, the mags are hugely subsiding his wage.
 
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Final decision on Cannon tomorrow apparently but looks like either Preston or Stoke, not much of a rumour to go off but the best I can find
Hadn’t seen Stoke linked, they’ve already signed a couple of strikers haven’t they? Could be another case of red and white stripes mistaken identity, press still seem to confuse us with Stoke and Southampton quite often.
 
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