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Norman Stanley Fletcher said:
Yeh but we wouldn’t be “spending” 8m would we?
It depends how much we got for Lihadji. My understanding of the model is like this…

we buy player A for £500k
Sell him for say £3m and invest that £3m in player B
Sell player B for £7m and invest that in player C
and so on

So player C hasn’t cost us £7m - he’s cost £500k plus the wages along the way. I’ve simplified it but the theory is right
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Not once in any description of the model has a transfer figure been mentioned, if your reasoning is right which player did we buy for 500k and sell for 3m to allow us to buy Clarke. We are not short of money, If the club thought a player who is valued at 8M will be worth 30M in 3 years and ticks all the boxes they will buy him. What they do have a limit on in the championship is wages, this is why we haven't been paying 7M to 8M in transfer fees, because most players selling at that fee will want more wages, this lad has great potential to go on to be worth a lot of money however will probably be on peanuts where he is, so coming to us will be a huge pay rise within our wage structure. This is probably why we are monitoring the South America market so much
 
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Southern A said:
I’m really confused. That article says an offer has been received for 8m for part of the player, and that Sunderland are interested.

It doesn’t say we’ve made the bid. And it certainly doesn’t say it means a sell on clause.

I worry people are reading other people’s tweets / posts as gospel here. Unless somebody has another link which says it’s us bidding?
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I could see the Mags buying part of a player, maybe a finger, leg or hand but not us
 
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Smug in Boots said:
There was quite a bit of preemptive criticism of the club regarding the sale of Ballard, etc, and the failure to sign the players we need ...

... that seems to be dying down thankfully, so we can concentrate on the football.

One bonus of this 'model' is that managers don't sign a group of players who become 'his team'. The squad is a Sunderland squad and better for team spirit and continuity imo.
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It wasn't long ago there were plenty fans calling the club because we were going to accept an offer from West ham for Ballard then the lad signs a new contracr
 
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Just seen Mowbray on SSN, didn't catch what he said but I've now got a question.

He was wearing a top with TM on it, what do the club do with all the personaliaed gear when a manager or coach leaves?

Can't imagine the departing person wants to keep it, maybe there's a huge cupboard at the AOL with old personalised teamwear?
 
TPFNAC said:
Just seen Mowbray on SSN, didn't catch what he said but I've now got a question.

He was wearing a top with TM on it, what do the club do with all the personaliaed gear when a manager or coach leaves?

Can't imagine the departing person wants to keep it, maybe there's a huge cupboard at the AOL with old personalised teamwear?
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Rogues Gallery in the boiler room - training top with the former manager's initials is added to the next spot on the wall.
 
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cumbrianmackem said:
The big question in this transfer model is are the fans going to be patient long enough to give it a real chance.
We've had a couple of good years since the new owner took over, Wembley appearances, promotion, play offs etc and we are unrecognizable to where we were 5 years ago.
Most fans get what's going on but there are some who want it now and fail to see the bigger picture and it's those voices that will be heard especially at home games if these kids fall short in their eyes.
Today will be a big test and if we come away with the points it could be massive as to how the season pans out, today is that important to me.
The roller coaster is set to start at 5 pm, hope we all enjoy the ride.
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Sunderland fans have,are, patient these last 10 horrible years and 60 per years before that.....I can wait a bit longer. I'm more positive now than I have been in those 60 years.
 
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Ian Harte really is thick as **** :emoticon-0102-bigsm So ****e at his job that he thought the contract he negotiated for Jack Clarke last year was good enough, and now bitching on Twitter because he can’t get him a move away. Absolute rat.

Then deletes it because he’s suddenly realised how thick he actually is. Would love Clarke to ditch him.
 
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Wouldn't be surprised if Harte was still pissed off last night and hoyed that tweet out <laugh>

Be interesting to see when he's up here next, he's at loads of our matches. I think he maybe keeping his head low for a bit <laugh><laugh>
 
TPFNAC said:
Just seen Mowbray on SSN, didn't catch what he said but I've now got a question.

He was wearing a top with TM on it, what do the club do with all the personaliaed gear when a manager or coach leaves?

Can't imagine the departing person wants to keep it, maybe there's a huge cupboard at the AOL with old personalised teamwear?
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Shoe box appeal
 
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Iain said:
Not once in any description of the model has a transfer figure been mentioned, if your reasoning is right which player did we buy for 500k and sell for 3m to allow us to buy Clarke. We are not short of money, If the club thought a player who is valued at 8M will be worth 30M in 3 years and ticks all the boxes they will buy him. What they do have a limit on in the championship is wages, this is why we haven't been paying 7M to 8M in transfer fees, because most players selling at that fee will want more wages, this lad has great potential to go on to be worth a lot of money however will probably be on peanuts where he is, so coming to us will be a huge pay rise within our wage structure. This is probably why we are monitoring the South America market so much
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I was using that as an example in response to an earlier poster who said we wouldn’t spend £8m on one player. It’s about buying, developing, selling and reinvesting and then repeat the process. A bit like people who move up the housing ladder by buying a lower price house, doing it up and then selling it for a profit and moving into a bigger house and starting all over again.
 
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