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FellTop said:
Some thoughts from me on Enzo, not relevant to agent or rumours though.

I had reservations about him coming in on loan. Seemed like I was in a minority of 1. I wasnt sure about the impact on the squad in terms of unity (I was clearly wrong) and I had reservations about how much impact he would have as a player (I think it remains a valid question).

I can see his talent. Everyone can I am sure. My question mark is does it impact the team enough. Does he find enough ways to impact games? At times in the championship he was quality and made players like Ayling look daft. At others he was bullied easily and the game passed him by. I appreciate he was played out of position but Regis didnt have to in all games once Watson was back, and I do wonder whether he has enough about him to play in the middle, and whether Regis worries about it too. So far in pre season, the bits I have seen at least, he hasnt shone. Again flashes here and there, but nothing that would give me confidence he is going to be a huge influence on a premier league game. Time will of course tell on that. To me Xhaka is levels above him and Diarra is too. Sadiki has surprised me massively and while I think he has some rawness in possession his overall contribution to the game is bigger than Le Fee's. Right now he is a sub for me.

I have said in the past his moves bug me a bit. His last 2 havent worked out for him. For whatever reason. I hope he is here for years and finds a way to play first team football. I am sure he will be frustrated if he is one of these so called finishers (absolutely hate that term). I do worry a bit more for him when Rigg is fit. In my opinion Rigg will be ahead of him in the pecking order by the end of this season at the latest.

All just an opinion. Probably still in the minority of 1. Probably have this brought up time and again over the season as proof I am clueless. Wouldnt mind that at all tbh. And it would prove what we alreadg know <laugh>
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All about opinions m8, yours is as valid as anybody else’s.
 
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Did masuaku turn down a new contract at besiktas? Seems he done well there so wpuld be strange if they let him go
 
Sunderland AFC is delighted to announce the signing of Arthur Masuaku, subject to international clearance.

The left-back signs a two-year contract and becomes the Club’s 10th summer signing following the arrivals of Enzo Le Fée, Habib Diarra, Noah Sadiki, Reinildo Mandava, Chemsdine Talbi, Simon Adingra, Granit Xhaka, Robin Roefs, and Marc Guiu.

Masuaku, 31, returns to the Premier League after a three-year absence, having represented West Ham United 128 times from 2016 to 2023.

After departing East London for Beşiktaş J.K, the DR Congo international made 108 appearances and registered 18 assists for the Turkish Süper Lig side before leaving Istanbul this summer.

Upon arrival, Masuaku said: “I’m excited to be here and I’m also really happy to be back in the Premier League. It’s clear that Sunderland is a top Club and I’m grateful for the opportunity. I had three good years in Turkey, and now I have this exciting new challenge in front of me. I want to bring a winning mentality and joy to the fans, and I’m excited to get started.”

Born in Lille, Masuaku started his career with RC Lens before joining Valenciennes FC and progressing through the Club’s academy and making 29 senior appearances.

A move to Olympiacos followed in 2014 for the then 20-year-old, who quickly settled in Greece by registering two assists on his league debut and scoring on his UEFA Champions League debut.

Masuaku collected two Super League titles and won the Greek Cup during his time in Piraeus, which concluded in 2016 when he joined West Ham.

The defender became a cult hero during his time at the London Stadium, with fans dubbing him ‘King Arthur’ throughout a seven-year spell in the capital.

A Turkish Cup and Turkish Super Cup followed in Istanbul for Masuaku, who has also represented his nation 36 times.

Kristjaan Speakman added: “Arthur’s a player with considerable Premier League experience and a different profile to enhance our squad. He’s a well-rounded full back who is strong in possession and not only impacts defensively, but also in the final third. He is eager to share his knowledge and experiences with the group, and this benefits the environment we are continuing to build. We are delighted to have secured him, and we will get to work immediately to integrate him into our squad, so he can make a positive impact as quickly as possible.”
 
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Sunderland AFC is delighted to announce the signing of Arthur Masuaku, subject to international clearance.

The left-back signs a two-year contract and becomes the Club’s 10th summer signing following the arrivals of Enzo Le Fée, Habib Diarra, Noah Sadiki, Reinildo Mandava, Chemsdine Talbi, Simon Adingra, Granit Xhaka, Robin Roefs, and Marc Guiu.

Masuaku, 31, returns to the Premier League after a three-year absence, having represented West Ham United 128 times from 2016 to 2023.

After departing East London for Beşiktaş J.K, the DR Congo international made 108 appearances and registered 18 assists for the Turkish Süper Lig side before leaving Istanbul this summer.

Upon arrival, Masuaku said: “I’m excited to be here and I’m also really happy to be back in the Premier League. It’s clear that Sunderland is a top Club and I’m grateful for the opportunity. I had three good years in Turkey, and now I have this exciting new challenge in front of me. I want to bring a winning mentality and joy to the fans, and I’m excited to get started.”

Born in Lille, Masuaku started his career with RC Lens before joining Valenciennes FC and progressing through the Club’s academy and making 29 senior appearances.

A move to Olympiacos followed in 2014 for the then 20-year-old, who quickly settled in Greece by registering two assists on his league debut and scoring on his UEFA Champions League debut.

Masuaku collected two Super League titles and won the Greek Cup during his time in Piraeus, which concluded in 2016 when he joined West Ham.

The defender became a cult hero during his time at the London Stadium, with fans dubbing him ‘King Arthur’ throughout a seven-year spell in the capital.

A Turkish Cup and Turkish Super Cup followed in Istanbul for Masuaku, who has also represented his nation 36 times.

Kristjaan Speakman added: “Arthur’s a player with considerable Premier League experience and a different profile to enhance our squad. He’s a well-rounded full back who is strong in possession and not only impacts defensively, but also in the final third. He is eager to share his knowledge and experiences with the group, and this benefits the environment we are continuing to build. We are delighted to have secured him, and we will get to work immediately to integrate him into our squad, so he can make a positive impact as quickly as possible.”
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I can see him playing at LB this afternoon.

Hopefully he's brought in with a view of being a LWB IF we decide to go three at the back at times.
 
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FellTop said:
Some thoughts from me on Enzo, not relevant to agent or rumours though.

I had reservations about him coming in on loan. Seemed like I was in a minority of 1. I wasnt sure about the impact on the squad in terms of unity (I was clearly wrong) and I had reservations about how much impact he would have as a player (I think it remains a valid question).

I can see his talent. Everyone can I am sure. My question mark is does it impact the team enough. Does he find enough ways to impact games? At times in the championship he was quality and made players like Ayling look daft. At others he was bullied easily and the game passed him by. I appreciate he was played out of position but Regis didnt have to in all games once Watson was back, and I do wonder whether he has enough about him to play in the middle, and whether Regis worries about it too. So far in pre season, the bits I have seen at least, he hasnt shone. Again flashes here and there, but nothing that would give me confidence he is going to be a huge influence on a premier league game. Time will of course tell on that. To me Xhaka is levels above him and Diarra is too. Sadiki has surprised me massively and while I think he has some rawness in possession his overall contribution to the game is bigger than Le Fee's. Right now he is a sub for me.

I have said in the past his moves bug me a bit. His last 2 havent worked out for him. For whatever reason. I hope he is here for years and finds a way to play first team football. I am sure he will be frustrated if he is one of these so called finishers (absolutely hate that term). I do worry a bit more for him when Rigg is fit. In my opinion Rigg will be ahead of him in the pecking order by the end of this season at the latest.

All just an opinion. Probably still in the minority of 1. Probably have this brought up time and again over the season as proof I am clueless. Wouldnt mind that at all tbh. And it would prove what we alreadg know <laugh>
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Great observations there, fully agree.
 
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FellTop said:
Some thoughts from me on Enzo, not relevant to agent or rumours though.

I had reservations about him coming in on loan. Seemed like I was in a minority of 1. I wasnt sure about the impact on the squad in terms of unity (I was clearly wrong) and I had reservations about how much impact he would have as a player (I think it remains a valid question).

I can see his talent. Everyone can I am sure. My question mark is does it impact the team enough. Does he find enough ways to impact games? At times in the championship he was quality and made players like Ayling look daft. At others he was bullied easily and the game passed him by. I appreciate he was played out of position but Regis didnt have to in all games once Watson was back, and I do wonder whether he has enough about him to play in the middle, and whether Regis worries about it too. So far in pre season, the bits I have seen at least, he hasnt shone. Again flashes here and there, but nothing that would give me confidence he is going to be a huge influence on a premier league game. Time will of course tell on that. To me Xhaka is levels above him and Diarra is too. Sadiki has surprised me massively and while I think he has some rawness in possession his overall contribution to the game is bigger than Le Fee's. Right now he is a sub for me.

I have said in the past his moves bug me a bit. His last 2 havent worked out for him. For whatever reason. I hope he is here for years and finds a way to play first team football. I am sure he will be frustrated if he is one of these so called finishers (absolutely hate that term). I do worry a bit more for him when Rigg is fit. In my opinion Rigg will be ahead of him in the pecking order by the end of this season at the latest.

All just an opinion. Probably still in the minority of 1. Probably have this brought up time and again over the season as proof I am clueless. Wouldnt mind that at all tbh. And it would prove what we alreadg know <laugh>
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A big part of it is that he’s being somewhat misused imo. Out wide, as a ten. He’s an orthodox central midfielder. He needs to be played deeper to get the best out of him in my view.
 
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FellTop said:
Some thoughts from me on Enzo, not relevant to agent or rumours though.

I had reservations about him coming in on loan. Seemed like I was in a minority of 1. I wasnt sure about the impact on the squad in terms of unity (I was clearly wrong) and I had reservations about how much impact he would have as a player (I think it remains a valid question).

I can see his talent. Everyone can I am sure. My question mark is does it impact the team enough. Does he find enough ways to impact games? At times in the championship he was quality and made players like Ayling look daft. At others he was bullied easily and the game passed him by. I appreciate he was played out of position but Regis didnt have to in all games once Watson was back, and I do wonder whether he has enough about him to play in the middle, and whether Regis worries about it too. So far in pre season, the bits I have seen at least, he hasnt shone. Again flashes here and there, but nothing that would give me confidence he is going to be a huge influence on a premier league game. Time will of course tell on that. To me Xhaka is levels above him and Diarra is too. Sadiki has surprised me massively and while I think he has some rawness in possession his overall contribution to the game is bigger than Le Fee's. Right now he is a sub for me.

I have said in the past his moves bug me a bit. His last 2 havent worked out for him. For whatever reason. I hope he is here for years and finds a way to play first team football. I am sure he will be frustrated if he is one of these so called finishers (absolutely hate that term). I do worry a bit more for him when Rigg is fit. In my opinion Rigg will be ahead of him in the pecking order by the end of this season at the latest.

All just an opinion. Probably still in the minority of 1. Probably have this brought up time and again over the season as proof I am clueless. Wouldnt mind that at all tbh. And it would prove what we alreadg know <laugh>
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Interesting thoughts mate. Defo an element I get what you’re saying. I will say when he’s on form he’s a joy to watch.

I do question if he does quite enough as a ten. Him moving back in the playoff final changed it all imo. He just grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck, which was why I was slightly surprised he started pre season as a ten and not deeper.

I think the midfield 3 from yesterday could be the way to go, so much power and energy between the 3, so much ground covered. Where elf will needs to deliver and what sets him apart from everyone else, is his quality to create chances for us. I really like the balance and options we have in midfield.
 
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Southern A said:
On the ELF stuff, I’ve seen the messages from the agent to three separate fans. The agent was clearly trying to start the rumour(s). I don’t think any of the fans he was messaging can be blamed for that. Having an agent of a player saying what he was, is of interest and can’t be taken out of context when it’s direct quotes.

The guy is an unprofessional bellend and I hope ELF drops him over this frankly.
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Might have made Elf some decent money in signing on fees etc so far :emoticon-0102-bigsm. I agree though, directly engaging with fans is really bloody stupid.

I often wonder how easy it is for players to ditch an agent, as an aside. I assume they have contracts with fixed end dates. Might cost them a fair bit to terminate early?
 
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