Summer transfer thread

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Just to elaborate - Broadhead needs to prove to everyone he can play 90 mins week in week out and deliver goals. He wouldn't get that here.

Coming here would have actually been the easy move for him. I completely understand the opinion that he's bottled it, I just don't agree with it. And would argue that rejecting the chance to play week in week out to come here and expect to be a substitute option would be "bottling" it.

We move on. He'd have been great but the circumstances just weren't right for anyone.
 
Much in the same way that if Jack Diamond decides to go to Fleetwood or Harrogate rather than try to break through with us, is that bottling it?

No - he needs to play and wants to prove he can play mens football week in week out. And he's 4 years younger than Broadhead who's never had the chance to.

Anyway I'll stop spam posting now :D
 
Much in the same way that if Jack Diamond decides to go to Fleetwood or Harrogate rather than try to break through with us, is that bottling it?

No - he needs to play and wants to prove he can play mens football week in week out. And he's 4 years younger than Broadhead who's never had the chance to.

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Completely different thing that like mate. You would have to use him going from Everton to us last season and Wigan this season instead of trying to break into theor first team him bottling it. No its not.

If he has changed his mind about coming here cause Simms had one good game bottling it? Yes!

Now he might have changed his mind for a host of other reasons but from what AN has said along with Prehab26 saying pretty much that it seems likely he has bottled it!

He hasn't trusted his own ability to force his way in to the team, that is bottling it!
 
Completely different thing that like mate. You would have to use him going from Everton to us last season and Wigan this season instead of trying to break into theor first team him bottling it. No its not.

If he has changed his mind about coming here cause Simms had one good game bottling it? Yes!

Now he might have changed his mind for a host of other reasons but from what AN has said along with Prehab26 saying pretty much that it seems likely he has bottled it!

He hasn't trusted his own ability to force his way in to the team, that is bottling it!

there's no way he based it on that one game.

If he hasn't trusted his ability to break through is bottling it, should he have stayed at Everton? Surely leaving Everton is bottling it? (being facetious of course)

He's chosen to go to a championship club as (presumably) their main striker and play every game for the first time in his career. thats not bottling it.
 
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Isn't there a rule anyway that you can't loan 2 players from same club? People saying Forest can't get Garner on loan from Utd as they have Henderson. Therefore we showed our hand when we signed Sims on loan.

Think the rule is just that you can’t loan more than 2 players in the Prem now. Madness. Not sure if there’s a rule on the 2 being from the same club
 
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I’m not sure bottler is apt mind. He hasn’t got much room to manoeuvre and wants to make the Wales squad. If he has chosen Wigan as opposed to us thinking he has more chance of making the World Cup squad, that suggests the opposite. I think if there was no World Cup in a few months, his decision may have been the opposite. We will never know, he never hid on the pitch though
Spot on in my opinion. A world cup for any player is massive. I have said before Rob Page is almost certainly given him some advice and guidelines on what he needs yo do.
 
What do you reckon AN was getting at then?

Imo he was doubting himself before then but was still looking likely to come.

I think AN was using that to illustrate the challenge Broadhead would have faced here.

Broadhead knew he'd be third choice, and so did Sunderland, and importantly so did Everton. We gave his number 9 to somebody else. I know numbers "mean nothing", but it just further illustrated to everyone that Simms was THE guy. And we already had a THE guy. So Broadhead was only ever going to be third, in a season he NEEDS to be first.

This weekend just highlighted that further to everyone.
 
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Broadhed will be reaching peak centre forward years by next summer.

If it doesn't go well at Wigan, it won't be the bigger Championship clubs that are looking at him then, so unless that is seen as taking a risk ( which it could be) he is almost deferring a decision, assuming we, and possibly others agreed a fee.

Good luck to him, but choosing a club who were late twice paying wages in the summer. It won't affect him as a loanee, but they are awful signs.

He's a good player, and almost certainly played the best football of his life here. It might not be quite the same somewhere else, and it would clearly have been harder to start here than last season.

Looks to me like he's chosen a comfort blanket.
 
Spot on in my opinion. A world cup for any player is massive. I have said before Rob Page is almost certainly given him some advice and guidelines on what he needs yo do.

If so, even more reason to avoid him. He'll be looking after himself.
 
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Broadhed will be reaching peak centre forward years by next summer.

If it doesn't go well at Wigan, it won't be the bigger Championship clubs that are looking at him then, so unless that is seen as taking a risk ( which it could be) he is almost deferring a decision, assuming we, and possibly others agreed a fee.

Good luck to him, but choosing a club who were late twice paying wages in the summer. It won't affect him as a loanee, but they are awful signs.

He's a good player, and almost certainly played the best football of his life here. It might not be quite the same somewhere else, and it would clearly have been garden to start here than last season.

Looks to me like he's chosen a comfort blanket.

Yeh you could definitely argue there were better options than Wigan. But as you say he's reaching peak years and he's never played as a first choice player anywhere in his career. He needed to go somewhere he was going to be the main guy. League One wouldn't have been testing himself enough so he had to go bottom of championship. At which point Wigan is about right?
 
What do you reckon AN was getting at then?

Imo he was doubting himself before then but was still looking likely to come.
AN could just as likely been blowing sunshine up Stewart and Simms arse to be honest. Or maybe he is pissed off at having been jilted at the last minute and he firing off. Managers come out with all kinds of psychology when talking to the media and it is notable Alex Neil hasnt gone as far as to say it is definitely the reason.
 
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If so, even more reason to avoid him. He'll be looking after himself.

Aye - and I reckon there may be psychological issues with him and niggles. Its very easy for players to blow minor things out of proportion and feel injured. Bear in mind all pain is actually mental!! I reckon Rodwell suffered from this. And Wilshere.

And in World Cup year, especlaly if doing well, he could easily not want to risk injury and become even more protecting

I speak from some experience as I know I feel "niggles" much more than most people. I need to man up as well :D
 
Yeh you could definitely argue there were better options than Wigan. But as you say he's reaching peak years and he's never played as a first choice player anywhere in his career. He needed to go somewhere he was going to be the main guy. League One wouldn't have been testing himself enough so he had to go bottom of championship. At which point Wigan is about right?

We'll see. But late wages are an awful flashing red light. A nice safety net of his Everton contract protests him, butmight cost him in the long run.
 
We'll see. But late wages are an awful flashing red light. A nice safety net of his Everton contract protests him, butmight cost him in the long run.

Was it this summer they were late with wages? They seemed to be in decent enough nick financially, so thats disappointed for them after everything they went through with the last owners.
 
Isn't there a rule anyway that you can't loan 2 players from same club? People saying Forest can't get Garner on loan from Utd as they have Henderson. Therefore we showed our hand when we signed Sims on loan.
You can’t loan 2 players from same club if you are in the PL. doesn’t apply to EFL clubs
 
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I would have loved him here mate and at the end of the day it's his decision and I wish him well and will be grateful to him because I honestly believe without him last season we would still be in league one.
We will never know how far negotiations were but I think AN was expecting him to sign . It may well have coincided with the result at the weekend and it is just a case of Wigan were interested, he's probably going to make more appearances , closer to home and we can't forget its a loan so he will still be getting the wage he's on at Everton that to me is a list of good reasons why he would pick Wigan over us.
I wasn't having a go at the lad just picking up on what AN said, that may be a bit of sour grapes on his part if he thought he had him in the bag because if we had those 3 strikers on the books IMHO we would have had the deadliest strike force in the league
Bob said three weeks ago he wasn’t coming so the Simms and LND playing well is ****e it was decided long aga
 
Yeh you could definitely argue there were better options than Wigan. But as you say he's reaching peak years and he's never played as a first choice player anywhere in his career. He needed to go somewhere he was going to be the main guy. League One wouldn't have been testing himself enough so he had to go bottom of championship. At which point Wigan is about right?

I could agree with your point of view if we had signed Simms at the start of the transfer window instead of just a few weeks ago .. but we have been trying to get Broadhead since the end of last season and if he wanted to be the main man then signing asap would have given him that chance... not buying the World Cup story seems more abut money to me.. He's made his decision good luck to him .