Transfer Rumours Summer '22 Transfer Thread

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SydneyTiger14 said:
Are you familiar with Tufan's playing career?
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Seems to be copping grief for a 7 game spell at Watford as opposed to 65 international caps and a successful spell at Fenerbache which led to Watford loaning him with a compulsory purchase agreement for a lot more than were paying should they have stayed up.

191 games in Turkish Super league - 21 goals, 30 assists. 65 international caps - 9 goals.

Seems to have something about him. Has a point to prove.

It's up to Acun and Shota to get the most from him, but I doubt they'd be shelling out on a permanent deal and taking that kind of risk if they weren't convinced.

If he's a shirker he'll soon be found out, but new club, new start, until he gives me a reason not to, I'll back him as I would any signing.

Ben Arfa which was a half season loan when he wanted a move back to France when his Newcastle situation became untenable. He was never going to have a future at the club and was the polar opposite of a Steve Bruce player.

And why the focus on Tufan? We've just signed a promotion winner and are supposedly close to a title winner but no, some on here have to pick out the one potential negative.
 
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Mckechnie Orange said:
Seems to be copping grief for a 7 game spell at Watford as opposed to 65 international caps and a successful spell at Fenerbache which led to Watford loaning him with a compulsory purchase agreement for a lot more than were paying should they have stayed up.

191 games in Turkish Super league - 21 goals, 30 assists. 65 international caps - 9 goals.

Seems to have something about him. Has a point to prove.

It's up to Acun and Shota to get the most from him, but I doubt they'd be shelling out on a permanent deal and taking that kind of risk if they weren't convinced.

If he's a shirker he'll soon be found out, but new club, new start, until he gives me a reason not to, I'll back him as I would any signing.

Ben Arfa which was a half season loan when he wanted a move back to France when his Newcastle situation became untenable. He was never going to have a future at the club and was the polar opposite of a Steve Bruce player.

And why the focus on Tufan? We've just signed a promotion winner and are supposedly close to a title winner but no, some on here have to pick out the one potential negative.
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Ben Arfa had a point to prove when he arrived at City as well..

Ben Arfa was a full season loan that we cut short because of how **** he was. Don't re-write history.

Why the focus on Tufan? No focus here, you questioned the Ben Arfa comparison, and I suggested - after you dismissed it as not being relevant - that there were examples of players we are planning to sign who have similar criticisms about their work ethic.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Ben Arfa had a point to prove when he arrived at City as well..

Why the focus on Tufan? No focus here, you questioned the Ben Arfa comparison, and I suggested - after you dismissed it as not being relevant - that there were examples of players we are planning to sign who have similar criticisms about their work ethic.
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Ben arfa certainly did prove a point and got his move back to France. His ability was never in question.
 
Mckechnie Orange said:
Ben arfa certainly did prove a point and got his move back to France. His ability was never in question.
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I'm lost at what point you're making here. He didn't prove any point with City and we cut his loan short after he covered less ground in a game than McGregor. The comparison was made because you were wondering why people were upset at Honeyman being 'upgraded' when a 'better' player technically doesn't necessarily translate on the pitch at a Championship club. In the depths of winter when the going gets tough are Tufan and Traore going to get stuck in and care as much as Honeyman did? Maybe they will, and time will tell, but it's funny that you brought up Geovanni, Diame and Hernandez as positive examples of upgrades when all three without fail went missing when the going got tough in relegation seasons.
 
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SydneyTiger14 said:
I'm lost at what point you're making here. He didn't prove any point with City and we cut his loan short after he covered less ground in a game than McGregor. The comparison was made because you were wondering why people were upset at Honeyman being 'upgraded' when a 'better' player technically doesn't necessarily translate on the pitch at a Championship club. In the depths of winter when the going gets tough are Tufan and Traore going to get stuck in and care as much as Honeyman did? It's funny that you brought up Geovanni, Diame and Hernandez as positive examples of upgrades when all three without fail went missing when the going got tough in relegation seasons.
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Point was Ben Arfa never wanted to be here and it showed. The move he wanted weren't prepared to stump the cash Newcastle were asking.

Should we have listened to the Mackem fans on Honeyman?

Should we never make a foreign signing because they could be a Ben Arfa? The vast majority of overseas players haven't ended up that way.

It's a lazy generalisation and comparison based on nothing.

If he's a shirker he'll soon be found out.
 
Mckechnie Orange said:
Point was Ben Arfa never wanted to be here and it showed. The move he wanted weren't prepared to stump the cash Newcastle were asking.

Should we have listened to the Mackem fans on Honeyman?

Should we never make a foreign signing because they could be a Ben Arfa? The vast majority of overseas players haven't ended up that way.

It's a lazy generalisation and comparison based on nothing.

If he's a shirker he'll soon be found out.
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I haven't made any of those suggestions. I'm explaining why some may be skeptical of your insistence that Honeyman going is fine because we're getting better players in. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Mckechnie Orange said:
Absolutely, but likenng someone to Ben Arfa who isn't Ben arfa and they haven't even pulled on the shirt is a tad presumptive don't you think?
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Is it any different to likening a player to Hernandez or Diame? All we can do is draw on past experiences and situations to discuss signings.. after all this is a 'discussion' board.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Is it any different to likening a player to Hernandez or Diame? All we can do is draw on past experiences and situations to discuss signings.. after all this is a 'discussion' board.
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No-one has, I just questioned the negative comparison as opposed to a positive one.

Geovanni wasn't a grafter, was sometimes dropped in winter as he didn't get 'stuck in' when the weather turned but he was loved for his contribution regardless because he provided a bit of telling quality in the right circumstances.

Why not make that comparison? Why liken him to the biggest transfer flop in recent history before he's even kicked a ball?

I think that's presumptive and unfair.

As you rightly point out, it's a discussion board.
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
£2.3m - total basic weekly wage during contract
£3.5m - total wage during contract including singing on fee, individual bonuses like goal / appearance bonus, team bonuses like win/cup runs/final league position etc and anything on top of that like image rights.... Add all that together and I'm probably low balling it at £3.5m

Edit... Why would you draw down from your initial investment, you'd invest in things like property that would give you a wage without touching the original investment and at the same time let that initial investment grow so £1m invested in let's say property is almost always growing year on year ( bar some years obviously if the worst happens ) along with rental income from those properties Increasing over time and he's not going to just live on that income a year is he? He will almost certainly have other contracts after his initial 3yrs that will keep an income coming on top of the investment income..... Someone who earns that kind of money should be able to set themselfs up for life and if they don't its sod all to do with not earning enough and all to do with what they do with that money
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He could if he invested wisely indeed set him self up for life. But not residential
Property. Go down the commercial property route and stocks. The net return on residential is poor compared to the other two. And, as we might be seeing over the next few years, when residential
Goes down, it stays down for long periods.
 
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Posintilclosin said:
He could if he invested wisely indeed set him self up for life. But not residential
Property. Go down the commercial property route and stocks. The net return on residential is poor compared to the other two. And, as we might be seeing over the next few years, when residential
Goes down, it stays down for long periods.
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Or get some property over here! It's still as bonkers as ever.
 
Posintilclosin said:
He could if he invested wisely indeed set him self up for life. But not residential
Property. Go down the commercial property route and stocks. The net return on residential is poor compared to the other two. And, as we might be seeing over the next few years, when residential
Goes down, it stays down for long periods.
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Frigging hope so. We’re due a housing bubble pop and I want to put a deposit down on a house.
 
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