Transfer Rumours Summer 2024 transfer thread

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NewcastleTiger said:
The thing is though Figuerido was signed on the back of 6 months where he was decent. You ask any forest fan before that they thought he was ****e. Moore has succeeded everywhere he’s been recently. I understand signing players for a system but there isn’t an abundance of strikers out there let alone ones that regularly score at this level available
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If Shota wanted to play out from the back then the 'brain team' signing Figs is unforgivable. It's irrelevant that he had a solid 6 months at Forest, you could see immediately that he can't play out from the back. It shows to me that we were recruiting from a statistical model rather than actually watching players. Stats are great but you need to do both.

I get we've improved last year a bit but that Figs one is a horrendously basic error.

We saw in the Grant era that if you sign players that fit your style you can be successful (relatively speaking) with a lower quality of player. I'd rather we sign players that fit Tim's style perfectly, rather than makeshift ones even if we're signing a lower standard. On the flip side, at least you'll be able to move them on quicker and easier as they won't be on the same wages.
 
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Steven Toast said:
Although I don't necessarily share his point of view, I can see where Kalman is coming from. If you look at what Acun says and what is happening, one would question why we are signing players like Moore instead of the gems the likes of Boro and Norwich seem to constantly find. It could be frustrating if you have high expectations, but I think given how much we spent in the last couple of years, we were always going to have to sell some assets to continue to push. It would be fair to say that even if Jaden or Greaves didn't ask to leave, one would have to go just to give us some profit and we'd be getting through this season with barely any signings of note. Because of their sales, it gives us breathing room.

That being said, I don't know how Norwich aren't in the **** as they posted a £20m loss in 2022 and a £21m loss in 2023. They seem to do some stuff surrounding shares as James Hill bought £10m worth back in April of this year. Somebody who knows accounts can have a look and maybe explain to me how they're doing it using the link below. To be fair they've only signed Cordoba for £2m so far.

NORWICH CITY FOOTBALL CLUB PLC filing history - Find and update company information - GOV.UK (company-information.service.gov.uk)
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Like I said to you the other day when you tried to point to our accounts to demonstrate why we're already close to the line, you can't just use the accounts to calculate FFP. Norwich may well have invested a lot in their academy or stadium leading to those losses. They were also in the PL three years ago which has a different loss threshold, although I think that drops out of their cycle now.
 
Shark Sports said:
If Shota wanted to play out from the back then the 'brain team' signing Figs is unforgivable. It's irrelevant that he had a solid 6 months at Forest, you could see immediately that he can't play out from the back. It shows to me that we were recruiting from a statistical model rather than actually watching players. Stats are great but you need to do both.

I get we've improved last year a bit but that Figs one is a horrendously basic error.

We saw in the Grant era that if you sign players that fit your style you can be successful (relatively speaking) with a lower quality of player. I'd rather we sign players that fit Tim's style perfectly, rather than makeshift ones even if we're signing a lower standard. On the flip side, at least you'll be able to move them on quicker and easier as they won't be on the same wages.
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To be fair I only made that point because he deceived people into thinking he was decent for the back 3 he might’ve been
 
Jim the Tiger said:
Its not even the middle of July man! McLoughlin hardly played last year, why would that be a worry if he left? We have a wealthy owner who has a wealthy mate that seems to like us. We are selling 2 players for north of £25m profit allegedly and have cleared our wage bill of some high earners recently. Why would anyone be panicking now that we wont have a decent squad in a few weeks time?
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The worry is he was our back up to Greaves so not only are we now looking to replace Greaves but we're looking to replace his back up. So there's absolutely zero continuity in that position.

Part of what I like about the Moore signing on a 3 year deal is it gives us continuity (unless he's crap and we loan him out for the last two years of his deal a la Oscar). What we should be doing with our strikers, since we have a blank slate, is signing Moore, perhaps keeping or selling Oscar, and getting a young understudy. My analogy the other day about my kitchen cupboard. You have your food in the fridge that you're working your way through, and then you have another bottle of sauce or syrup or whatever in the cupboard just in case you run out of whats in the fridge before you make it to the shops again. We have Moore and another first choice striker and should have a young backup in the building on a permanent deal. That way if/when Moore runs out of legs or moves on, we have a ready made replacement and continuity in the squad. It's not rocket science.
 
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mauled1904 said:
How do you know Walter isn't going to change his style to suit the English game more, at the end of the day his 'style' didn't do him much good at Hamburg as they sacked him!
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We hired him because of his style so will be hilarious if he comes here and parks the bus and is more dour than Liam was.
 
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SydneyTiger14 said:
The worry is he was our back up to Greaves so not only are we now looking to replace Greaves but we're looking to replace his back up. So there's absolutely zero continuity in that position.

Part of what I like about the Moore signing on a 3 year deal is it gives us continuity (unless he's crap and we loan him out for the last two years of his deal a la Oscar). What we should be doing with our strikers, since we have a blank slate, is signing Moore, perhaps keeping or selling Oscar, and getting a young understudy. My analogy the other day about my kitchen cupboard. You have your food in the fridge that you're working your way through, and then you have another bottle of sauce or syrup or whatever in the cupboard just in case you run out of whats in the fridge before you make it to the shops again. We have Moore and another first choice striker and should have a young backup in the building on a permanent deal. That way if/when Moore runs out of legs or moves on, we have a ready made replacement and continuity in the squad. It's not rocket science.
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Giving a 32 year old a 3 year deal is never wise. I know Sharp was older but he showed that once legs are gone, they're gone.

After selling Greaves + Jaden for £40m ish it's an absolute disaster that we aren't in a position to go out and spend £25m this window because of past window **** ups. You also throw in Allsop going for almost £1m, Tufan going for £1.5m and the likely departures of Longman, Giles, Lokilo and maybe McLoughlin and there's probably another £5m there. You do wonder where the money has gone.

And I don't blame McLoughlin for wanting to go, he's barely played for us last year and he won't be a starter next year either. I suppose we've got that little bit of cover knowing that Coyle is decent at centre half if we need to use him there short term.
 
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Shark Sports said:
Giving a 32 year old a 3 year deal is never wise. I know Sharp was older but he showed that once legs are gone, they're gone.

After selling Greaves + Jaden for £40m ish it's an absolute disaster that we aren't in a position to go out and spend £25m this window because of past window **** ups. You also throw in Allsop going for almost £1m, Tufan going for £1.5m and the likely departures of Longman, Giles, Lokilo and maybe McLoughlin and there's probably another £5m there. You do wonder where the money has gone.

And I don't blame McLoughlin for wanting to go, he's barely played for us last year and he won't be a starter next year either. I suppose we've got that little bit of cover knowing that Coyle is decent at centre half if we need to use him there short term.
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We absolutely will spend £25m on overall packages for players/wages/bonuses etc
 
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Shark Sports said:
Giving a 32 year old a 3 year deal is never wise. I know Sharp was older but he showed that once legs are gone, they're gone.

After selling Greaves + Jaden for £40m ish it's an absolute disaster that we aren't in a position to go out and spend £25m this window because of past window **** ups. You also throw in Allsop going for almost £1m, Tufan going for £1.5m and the likely departures of Longman, Giles, Lokilo and maybe McLoughlin and there's probably another £5m there. You do wonder where the money has gone.

And I don't blame McLoughlin for wanting to go, he's barely played for us last year and he won't be a starter next year either. I suppose we've got that little bit of cover knowing that Coyle is decent at centre half if we need to use him there short term.
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Does McLoughlin want to go?
 
NewcastleTiger said:
We absolutely will spend £25m on overall packages for players/wages/bonuses etc
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It should be £25m on transfer fees. Cov received about £35m last summer and spent about £33m so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect us to spend £25m when we'll be seeing in excess of £50m including add-ons.
 
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Top_Tiger said:
Jarvis not getting a go is criminal to me.
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Players are always better when they aren't playing/haven't been given a chance in the eyes of fans. Multiple managers have passed over on him and Tim doesn't seem to want to bring him back either. It's like Danny Emerton all over again.
 
Shark Sports said:
Players are always better when they aren't playing/haven't been given a chance in the eyes of fans. Multiple managers have passed over on him and Tim doesn't seem to want to bring him back either. It's like Danny Emerton all over again.
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I suppose the difference is that Danny Emerton didn't go out and smash in a cracker of a loan spell and score goals in Europe.
 
Steven Toast said:
I suppose the difference is that Danny Emerton didn't go out and smash in a cracker of a loan spell and score goals in Europe.
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But realistically it's a loan spell at National League level. And the European side he scored against was from the Gibraltar league.
 
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