I believe we exercised the year option... along with pilks and hoolahan who were also both out of contract. All 3 are on our retained list so i imagine there staying!
i imagine this is true, although we've had no confirmation from the club at this stage. would be great to keep turner - i think we missed him terribly at times last season.
£4m to put towards a good ACM sounds fine to me, as a newly relegated side. (If that's what any sale fee is used for, of course) If Adams is serious about free flowing, attacking football for next season, well that kind of excludes Snodders anyway, as he just doesn't have the pace. Nothing against him personally, but I don't feel he would be that much of a loss - if the funds are used wisely.
Really sums up my view of him as well and hopefully if he does go, we'll get someone who doesn't fall over so easily!!!!
According to Sky Sports, Tom Ince could be on his way to QPR - at least they'd be willing to pay him the sort of salary he is expecting - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/9350929/transfer-news-tom-ince-in-qpr-talks I think he would be a good addition to their squad.
I disagree about Snodgrass. If he leaves City's chances of promotion will diminish drastically. PotS last year for good reason, he was our best player by a mile. We can afford a good ACM without selling Snods.
he certainly wasn't as brilliant as you're making out. i think he probably just edged player of the season simply because he played his best football during the two month period where votes were cast. he was totally ineffective up to and including christmas. not totally his fault of course, he had personal issues and the team as a whole weren't performing, but to suggest he was 'by a mile' our best player is just pure make believe. i don't think anybody is claiming he isn't a good player - evidently he is - but he is not vital. i'm not sure anyone in our squad is vital to be honest. if we got a sizeable fee for him so we could reinvest in two or maybe three players in areas where we are far more short of quality than out wide, that to me makes perfect sense and the fact his deal is getting close to running down makes it even more logical to sell him now than run the very large risk of losing him for nothing. i don't think we could spend heavily without selling at this point. people are getting carried away. our finances will have been halved at best and we've already spent est. £3m on one player. we won't be spending big on anyone else unless players leave. the parachute payments are not there to spend on new players, they are there to cover existing costs.
Great post supers. Snoddy's biggest failing for me was that he seemed to nearly always want to 'walk the ball into goal', rather than send in a cross for another player to run on to etc - I do NOT agree that if we lose him it would be a tragedy!!!
I didn't say it'd be a tragedy, I said it'd diminish our chances of promotion, and it will. There is no guarantee that Pilks will be staying either, and given Adams' emphasis on wide play, if City start the season with Redmond, Bennett and Murphy that could be very thin indeed, especially considering Bennett was out almost all of last season. Will he be the same player? Who knows? Even if Pilks stays, will he be out more than he plays? There is little margin for error in going for promotion. It requires consistency week in, week out, not trying to get new players to settle for much of the first half of the season. This is going to be much tougher than a lot of people on here seem to think.
Agree, and I don't think a unit of wingers containing just Bennett, Pilks and Redmond is good enough for a side that wants promotion. Bennett's injury prone, Pilks is horrendously inconsistent and Redmond still has a lot of work to do on final ball and decision making. People are underestimating the Championship. You need skilful players, not just raw pace.
nobody is underestimating the championship but some people are overestimating the clubs financial health. players with one year on their contract left who show no intent to sign a new deal but have significant resale value will be sold the world over, big and small clubs, rich or poor. the club can't afford to lose a player of snodgrass' worth for nothing, it just isn't going to happen, so unless he agrees a new deal i would be very surprised if he doesn't move on. i actually think he may have left this summer had we stayed up. if he signs a new deal, great.
Whilst talented Snodgrass is incredibly predictable and very poor at adapting his style of play to fit with another other tactics. His insistence on cutting inside to take a shot or cross with his left foot was so predictable that most full back became happy to show him onto his right foot further down the wing into the area that our RB should have been making a run. Last season Snodgrass was not our best player, he might have been in the last 10 games but in the 30 that preceded it he was a liability and when he was injured and Redmond played on the right we looked more threatening than we had done at any point before hand. It is not underestimating the Championship to say we don't necessarily need him, it is underestimating there championship to think that there defenders in that league won't have seen how easily he could be neutralised. Pace can only be combatted with pace, a good cross with your left foot can be defended against far more easily.
I think he is slightly over rated, his set pieces are good and he can have some brilliant games but like Bath, I think he is too predictable at times and the lack of pace can be an issue. I think Redmond has a better future than Snodgrass and he will be key next year. Take £5 million for Snodgrass and bring in someone like Matt Ritchie.
Snodgrass will either get a new deal or leave. We will either get a decent fee to replace him or keep last years pots. I know he is not lightening quick but he has quality and is capable of scoring and setting others up in the prem so you would imagine he would be able to generate more at a lower level where he will not be facing world class full backs most weeks. It will also be interesting to see how he gets on under Adams management and the more attacking system he will employ next season.
Player of the season in a relegated team, so he's Lee Croft. I was slightly unfair his dead ball delivery is undoubtedly excellent and that is one where he is worth having.
I understand that we don't want Snodgrass to leave for nothing. But just because he isn't fast doesn't make him a bad player. The reason he cut inside so much last season is because Hughton insisted on playing him on the wrong side of the pitch. His dead ball delivery is excellent. His decision making is decent. His crosses into the box from open play are very good. When he plays the ball along the floor it is often weighted very well. He can take players on and beat them, despite his lack of pace. He defends as well as any wide midfielder we currently have. He is passionate. He gets other players fired up. If he leaves next summer then fine. But if he's already helped to get us promoted then Hull or West Ham or whoever else can keep their money. We'll have earned it back forty-fold. I'd give him the captain's armband, do my best to convince him to stay and watch him lead us back up.
people are just making stuff up now! of course having a lack of pace doesn't make him a bad player, nobody has said this. he's an excellent player - that is not and has not been in dispute! what is nonsense is that hughton played him on the wrong side. snodgrass' natural position is wide right midfield. surely everybody knows this by now? the reason he cuts inside is because that is his natural game. the fact that some fans keep trying to move him to another role would suggest to me that people aren't 100% happy with the way he has performed in his correct position anyway. there's little doubt that he'd be a top player at championship level and if we keep hold of him it will show he is fully committed to us and i'm sure we'd all like that - in an ideal world he'd stay here and help take us back up. but i don't think he will stick around. he's good enough to play in the premier league. i know it, you know it and so does he. he won't sign a new deal and no new deal means we are severely compromised. so do we risk keeping him in the hope we're top two or at the very least challenging by january, knowing that a player worth £5m could go for nothing six months later? or do we get some decent money in and reinvest in two or three players who will stick around for the next few years? sorry, but the first scenario is very dangerous and isn't the right way to run a football club of our stature, no matter our financial position.
I think if less focus is put on Snoddy and he gets support further up the pitch he would show far more than he did last season. His ability to beat players even though they know where he wants to go is very impressive, similar to Robben but obviously not as good and much slower. I would hope that this season we'll have 4 or 5 players trying to create and get around the penalty area so Snoddy would have more options right off the bat. There are perfectly good cases for and against selling Snoddy, personally I'd hope Adams is trying his best to keep hold of him because he is undoubted quality and gives his all for the team, which is what we need. Not the end of the world if he goes, but the £4mil being touted seems far too low.
I'd add he also scores a few goals and in a team very short of them that should not be easily dismissed. I think he is definitely a good player, but have the same reservations as others about how a team can be unbalanced by his presence. His position is on the R.H.S but will this be a positive or negative to Neil in the way he wants to play? He does not get in behind and can at least on appearences under Hughton restrict your game plan. Is he good enough to adapt to another, I think probably, but then I am only too happy to blame Hughton for the majority of last seasons ill's. Bah! p.s. Started a new role at work so my contributions will at least in theory be more fleeting.
