Jokanovic, who just got Watford promoted, is rumoured to be leaving, he'd be alright.
SB should be given time, but as I've said on previous threads, if we aren't top six and aiming for automatic promotion by Xmas, he should be replaced.
Steve Bruce should do one
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Jokanovic, who just got Watford promoted, is rumoured to be leaving, he'd be alright.
SB should be given time, but as I've said on previous threads, if we aren't top six and aiming for automatic promotion by Xmas, he should be replaced.
http://www.footyplace.com/features/architect-of-self-destruction-bruce-strikes-again-0525316935
Can't argue with any of that - he really needs to go
Can't argue with any of that - he really needs to go
Very few of us would say SB had built a side primed for relegation last August. Article also forgets to mention that when Birmingham went down SB took them back up again. You say he needs to go - but to be replaced by whom?
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A slag journo taking a cheap shot. Shocking.
Getting rid of a top manager at Championship level who is already under contract would be insane. I think a lot of the Bruce out brigade don't go to games, the fans were behind him right to the end as far as I could see.
It's more like Bruce owes the fans. If it wasn't for Bruce consistently playing Thudd the dud and Livermore the funky junky when they were producing absolute ****e, we wouldn't be where we are right now. Bruce never had a plan B and sometimes I wonder if he ever had a plan A FFS!!!!
He was obsessed with playing the afore named mules whilst leaving players like Rosenior on the bench for the whole season.
Yes, Bruce does have a lot to answer to
If we had stayed up i think that would've been more reason to actually get rid of Bruce. However, now we're back in the Championship he's probably the ideal person to take us back up.
There are a few good managers who have just become available though, Di Matteo, Mclaren. If he was to leave i'd go all out for Karanka from Boro. New ideas, likes to keep hold of the ball and has got good contacts within the game.
There are a few good managers who have just become available though, Di Matteo, Mclaren. If he was to leave i'd go all out for Karanka from Boro. New ideas, likes to keep hold of the ball and has got good contacts within the game.
Plenty of opinions offered above, but hardly anyone sees my point.
It is irrelevant whether or not Steve Bruce has a good track record here or there, how much he spent, what he achieved or didn't achieve. It is a fallacy to think that because he performed well in the past he will do so again. Peter Pan was fictitious. We all grow old. The fact is that people change, and Steve Bruce is not the same as he perhaps once was. In positions of responsibility hard work, constant challenges and time all take their toll. How many younger readers can point out men at their workplace maybe 55 to 65 years old who are not doing a good job any more? (Yes, they all nod in agreement) How many of those older managers are simply hanging on for their pension to swell a bit more? They have nothing more to offer, but just bumble along in the same old way because that is the easiest thing to do. I've seen plenty of such people taking up space when they should have made way for younger, perhaps more able men. They are psychological cripples, addicted to power and status, and greedy for money they probably never will spend.
I've always thought hanging on too long is very undignified. I know what chronic burn-out is because I have it, and I am convinced Steve Bruce has it too. The right thing to do is swallow your pride, step aside, and get some peace and quiet. Let the younger men take over and let them learn their limitations the hard way. Ignore the bluster and face facts ... you are past it, and it is in everyone's interests if you make way. Console yourself that it is far better to be a has been than a never was .Steve Bruce could always concentrate on the training of young players ... he has said that is largely what kept him going at Hull City last autumn.
In any case, if Assem Allem really has the managerial skills he is reputed to have, he'll gently marshal Steve Bruce out of the door and get another man in before the end of June; July is too late.
It is irrelevant whether or not Steve Bruce has a good track record here or there, how much he spent, what he achieved or didn't achieve. It is a fallacy to think that because he performed well in the past he will do so again. Peter Pan was fictitious. We all grow old. The fact is that people change, and Steve Bruce is not the same as he perhaps once was. In positions of responsibility hard work, constant challenges and time all take their toll. How many younger readers can point out men at their workplace maybe 55 to 65 years old who are not doing a good job any more? (Yes, they all nod in agreement) How many of those older managers are simply hanging on for their pension to swell a bit more? They have nothing more to offer, but just bumble along in the same old way because that is the easiest thing to do. I've seen plenty of such people taking up space when they should have made way for younger, perhaps more able men. They are psychological cripples, addicted to power and status, and greedy for money they probably never will spend.
I've always thought hanging on too long is very undignified. I know what chronic burn-out is because I have it, and I am convinced Steve Bruce has it too. The right thing to do is swallow your pride, step aside, and get some peace and quiet. Let the younger men take over and let them learn their limitations the hard way. Ignore the bluster and face facts ... you are past it, and it is in everyone's interests if you make way. Console yourself that it is far better to be a has been than a never was .Steve Bruce could always concentrate on the training of young players ... he has said that is largely what kept him going at Hull City last autumn.
In any case, if Assem Allem really has the managerial skills he is reputed to have, he'll gently marshal Steve Bruce out of the door and get another man in before the end of June; July is too late.
What does being at the game have to do with it? Do you think it was that game that caused us to be relegated? If you judge his season off a fan reaction after a home draw with ManU then he has nothing to be concerned about and we should accept mediocrity with a wry smile on our faces.
I think you have the essence of it, although I believe that, regardless of age, Bruce has proven he is limited in his thinking. I don't know what happens in training, but we have gone backwards in most aspects, not least set-pieces. For Steve Bruce to stay he must convince himself that he really does have a new approach with the day-to-day improvement of an underachieving squad. When the going got tough, we lacked tough players to get going, some were on the bench or the step though.
We all have our limits, and the evidence is that Steve Bruce met his last year, if he hadn't already at Sunderland. Maybe in the past he was capable of more, and his abilities peaked some time ago. I don't know, but I am convinced that he is incapable at his age of finding any new approach. Such things have to come from within, through vision, and if Steve Bruce had any it would surely have come to him during the past season. And if he hasn't the vision himself he is not the right man for the job he occupies. Managers who merely follow other people's ideas are mediocre at best, and in the worst case a downright disaster.
Personally I like the man. He should do himself and his family a favour, retire, and start enjoying the fruits of his efforts. There is life after a career.
Not a chance. All he needs is a break like we all do. Re charge his batteries and go again in July.
Despite relegation we are in pretty good shape compared to 2010.
Bruce has proved over and over again that he is clueless at Prem level - spends loads of money, spends badly and gets teams relegated - so what happens if we keep him and he gets us promoted - do we sack him before we start in the Prem and then bring in a decent Prem manager - that would be nonsense - we need to rebuild now - we need a manager who will get us promoted and can take us to the next level in the Prem - clearly Brucie isn't up to that task so there is absolutely no point in continuing with him - there's plenty of good names about, Phelan, Allardyce, McClaren, , why not try and bring Dyche in - we really don't need to hang onto Bruce and his lame excuses, nice guy but he failed badly, very badly
I like Brucey, and I'd like to think that he could take us back up again next season, I just have a few niggles. My problems are that I can't get past the fact that he had such tunnel vision last season with the 3-5-2 formation, at times it cried out for a different formation, even a fool could see it, yet he stuck to his mantra of playing three centre backs. He usually then went on to change it when it was too late.
Simarlarly when leading a game he would take off our forward(s) and replace them with more defensive players, thereby negating our out ball and heaping pressure on the defence, usually culminating in us turning a winning position into one where we would lose or draw. He did this repeatedly, seemingly not learning from his previous errors, and Mike Phelan doesn't appear the answer or why didn't he address this?
And then there was Rosenior, one of the best defensive right backs that I've seen at City, who was totally under used, and in the main the reason went back to Bruce's favoured formation. Wasn't it? Surely it couldn't have been anything else. Granted he's not the best when attacking but with Elmo ahead of him in a 4-4-2 I can't help but feel that the right side would have been solid in attack and defence. How many times did he try that?
I have to agree with others when they say that because you have managed to get Brum back up it doesn't mean that you can automatically do the same with City, however the thought of creating another Phil Parkinson situation by appointing someone like Mark Wharburton fills me with dread.
I feel that Bruce KNOWS that he owes us, and the Allam's, I'm also convinced that 'some' of the players feel the same way. This is my one major reason that I'd want Bruce to stay, along with the fact that I think it would help us to retain the services of Dawson, Chezzy, Robertson, Elmo et al. I honestly feel that if Bruce were to leave that he could be followed closely out of the door by some players that are going to be fundemental to our first eleven if we are to bounce back at the first attempt.
Finally, all of this is academic as Assem Allam will do exactly what he wants to do, and I feel that will be to retain the services of Brucey, after all he appointed him. Needless to say I also feel that he'll play hardball in the extreme with any club that makes any attempt to buy any players that we wish to keep.
I'm torn but whichever way this falls I'll still support City, and I know that I won't be in the minority.
Interesting times.
Simarlarly when leading a game he would take off our forward(s) and replace them with more defensive players, thereby negating our out ball and heaping pressure on the defence, usually culminating in us turning a winning position into one where we would lose or draw. He did this repeatedly, seemingly not learning from his previous errors, and Mike Phelan doesn't appear the answer or why didn't he address this?
And then there was Rosenior, one of the best defensive right backs that I've seen at City, who was totally under used, and in the main the reason went back to Bruce's favoured formation. Wasn't it? Surely it couldn't have been anything else. Granted he's not the best when attacking but with Elmo ahead of him in a 4-4-2 I can't help but feel that the right side would have been solid in attack and defence. How many times did he try that?
I have to agree with others when they say that because you have managed to get Brum back up it doesn't mean that you can automatically do the same with City, however the thought of creating another Phil Parkinson situation by appointing someone like Mark Wharburton fills me with dread.
I feel that Bruce KNOWS that he owes us, and the Allam's, I'm also convinced that 'some' of the players feel the same way. This is my one major reason that I'd want Bruce to stay, along with the fact that I think it would help us to retain the services of Dawson, Chezzy, Robertson, Elmo et al. I honestly feel that if Bruce were to leave that he could be followed closely out of the door by some players that are going to be fundemental to our first eleven if we are to bounce back at the first attempt.
Finally, all of this is academic as Assem Allam will do exactly what he wants to do, and I feel that will be to retain the services of Brucey, after all he appointed him. Needless to say I also feel that he'll play hardball in the extreme with any club that makes any attempt to buy any players that we wish to keep.
I'm torn but whichever way this falls I'll still support City, and I know that I won't be in the minority.
Interesting times.
We should have got shot of him at Christmas, it was glaringly obvious what was gonna happen!
"no give him till the end of the season"
"no give him till the end of the season"
pudseytiger
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He also needs to get his act together regards a plan B, lost count the number of time's the team's been struggling and SB and his backroom staff decide to hold a touchline conference, 20 mins later we get a sub with 10 mins to go,no time at all to have a impact on the game.
he will take us back up, of that I have no doubt, he is a top championship manager.
is he a BPL manager?
I'm afraid not.
is he a BPL manager?
I'm afraid not.
This was the single most irritating thing for me, the Newcastle away game and the West Brom cup game the same week were prime examples.
