Steve Bruce should do one

[Fez]

I'm really quite chilled should Bruce stay and I do believe he will, although I also believe he should not. I do believe you can teach an old dog new tricks but ffs surely the simple failings I have seen and read about over the season and now, in the aftermath of relegation read yet again, are things that should have been glaringly obvious to him and his coaching staff - were these not old tricks for an old dog? I made this point this morning:

I think you have the essence of it, although I believe that, regardless of age, Bruce has proven he is limited in his thinking. I don't know what happens in training, but we have gone backwards in most aspects, not least set-pieces. For Steve Bruce to stay he must convince himself that he really does have a new approach with the day-to-day improvement of an underachieving squad. When the going got tough, we lacked tough players to get going, some were on the bench or the step though.

Then I read later today this good piece by Rick Skelton where he says:

2. Avoid training ground woes
I have no idea what we do in training. That isn’t ignorance or flippancy. It’s the result of watching the team make the same mistakes time after time while failing to address issues like poor set piece delivery and an inability to create and take chances. Bruce has had two assistant managers, Steve Agnew and Mike Phelan, and nothing has changed under either.
Can you name a player who has progressed since joining the club? Bruce has a knack for getting performances out of players who are under-achieving but his staff does not improve players. Players with promise like Jake Livermore, Tom Ince and Andy Robertson have regressed since we signed them.

Full post by OLM here

This is basic, fundamental football, nothing ultra-clever or sexy, but the bread and butter of the training ground - why did this excellent manager get that so very wrong?

I genuinely wonder on what level Steve Bruce has viewed his team and their performances; I have heard his sound-bite mutterings in interview, but I have never come close to hearing something that explains his actions as our head coach. Round pegs in square holes that baffled and frustrated us all - not to mention the players concerned. Prolonged side-lining of McShane when circumstances called for something better. Take the lead and forfeit it to baffling negative defensive substitutions. Using all of the subs on the hour leaving us open to injuries and a reduced manpower. Changing shape early because he called it wrong, again. I'll not mention Europe and the cups.

We need to stop blowing sunshine up his rear-end and ask him the questions we deserve answers to and not the ones he feels comfortable answering. If folk are going to extol his experience and qualities to smooth his path to another year as our manager then he, or they, should have no problem explain the shortfalls in his own individual performance. I do not believe it has been good enough and I really do want to understand what will change - don't you?

 

[tigerrev]

Although I want SB to stay, Fez makes some good points.

Somewhere along the line we lost the intensity and togetherness of our displays in the 2013 / 14 season where we would battle and grind out results -why was that?

Are some players "un - dropable?" Huddlestone / Livermore (before the drug thing?)

Substitutions which were baffling to say the least - does anyone know were Ramirez was supposed to be playing in any of the games where he came on ?- I could never figure that out. Also just throwing forwards on for the sake of it while sacrificing the shape of the team has often made it less likely we would score than more likely - the Burnley game the other week being a prime example.

Relegation was so easily avoidable but the old saying is true that no one is too good to go down. We just have to take it on the chin and hope we can bounce back next year.

 

[tigercity]

You need to try and win games in the PL and Bruce hasn't always done that, it's so tough that if you don't score you invariably lose unless your defence is top notch.

Look at our defenders - they were excellent this season - Dawson, Macca & Chessie.. in the other positions we were lacking - not just strikers but the midfield didn't create - look at Hudds & Livermore's stats.. ONE goal between them (Livermore vs Spurs), not good enough.

Cue abuse.. Pearson was defensive in the Champ with us (mainly due to necessity) and initially with Leicester but he got them firing...

Pearson has proven what we thought wouldn't happen - that he can adapt to the PL

Has Bruce?

 

[PattyNchips2]

Bruce in.

The fans stayed behind him all season to there credit.

Give him time and see how it goes is my opinion

"give it to the end of a season" oh dear, isn't that what you said last season?
I'm passionate about Hull city being as good as they can be, no matter what the name to the other ******s.
"give him till the end of the season" then when he leads us into division 1?
"give him till the end of the season"
hahahaha you ****s have your priorities all wrong..
"it's the name!" no!... its the team you lot of woeful ****s!

 

[Erik]

Since 1 January 2013, we've won 27 out of 97 league games
Bruce had an excellent first six-months and a favourable FA Cup draw last season.
But he needs to go ASAP, so we can get a new man in for the Summer rebuild

 

[FILEYseadog]

"give it to the end of a season" oh dear, isn't that what you said last season?
I'm passionate about Hull city being as good as they can be, no matter what the name to the other ******s.
"give him till the end of the season" then when he leads us into division 1?
"give him till the end of the season"
hahahaha you ****s have your priorities all wrong..
"it's the name!" no!... its the team you lot of woeful ****s![/QUOTE

No its not what I said at all.
I had no negative thoughts about Steve Bruce at all

And I still don't.

 

[jasondeyes]

I do find it quite amazing that quotes such as `who did we beat to get to the cup final` still appear, we beat who were put in front of us, if you have actually watched hull city for more then one season you`ll realise that many of his forerunners played lower league opposition and got their arses spanked, the fact remains that he guided us to the final, and our best league position.

As for being sentimental .. its called being realistic, just who are we going to get in that is actually better then what we have. Pep ?, Jose ? or wouldn`t they be good enough either, oh and btw `freshan` must be a new word in the dictionary, and `been` really should be `being` if your referring to my current state.

Thanks all the same for your comments

I have supported hull city for over 30 years mate and been going to watch the team if that's all you have to offer is pulling me up on my grammar then that's a worry I was just stating facts and that also a lot of people seem shocked that we have gone from cup finalists to this. The fact we never really beat any top teams to get there was the point I was making and about Steve Bruce yes he got us to the premier league but now we are as a first team we have gone backwards things maybe need freshning up a bit

 

[Steven Toast]

We should've got rid Christmas 2014. I hate sentimentality in football, it rarely happens in other jobs so why should football be any different? Yeah he endeared himself to fans by taking us to the Premier League, but then so did Phil Brown. We didn't even get through the qualifying stages of the Europa League and we made it to an FA Cup final by playing **** or lower division teams. He made a total hash of the January transfer window (and in hindsight, the Summer one as well), refused to change his crap tactics, got us relegated, released the two players who probably would've done a great job getting us back up and gave his own son, who's ability level is just as good as/less than the aforementioned, a two year deal.

He got us out the Championship before, fair enough he'll probably get until Christmas. But in an ideal world we'd have sacked him following relegation and brought in somebody with some fresh ideas. I can't stand the thought of playing 3-5-2 in the Championship, not now.

 

[PattyNchips2]

We should've got rid Christmas 2014. I hate sentimentality in football, it rarely happens in other jobs so why should football be any different? Yeah he endeared himself to fans by taking us to the Premier League, but then so did Phil Brown. We didn't even get through the qualifying stages of the Europa League and we made it to an FA Cup final by playing **** or lower division teams. He made a total hash of the January transfer window (and in hindsight, the Summer one as well), refused to change his crap tactics, got us relegated, released the two players who probably would've done a great job getting us back up and gave his own son, who's ability level is just as good as/less than the aforementioned, a two year deal.

He got us out the Championship before, fair enough he'll probably get until Christmas. But in an ideal world we'd have sacked him following relegation and brought in somebody with some fresh ideas. I can't stand the thought of playing 3-5-2 in the Championship, not now.

there was me and 1 other that wanted shot of him before the January transfer window slammed shut.
bolting the door after the horse has pissed off isnt any good now.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

"give it to the end of a season" oh dear, isn't that what you said last season?
I'm passionate about Hull city being as good as they can be, no matter what the name to the other ******s.
"give him till the end of the season" then when he leads us into division 1?
"give him till the end of the season"
hahahaha you ****s have your priorities all wrong..
"it's the name!" no!... its the team you lot of woeful ****s!

How passionate do you get in your armchair, with your legs wrapped in your tartan blanket, supping warm tea from your tartan flask whilst watching your illegal stream or listening in to Burns & Swan, as you will be this season?

 

[PattyNchips2]

How passionate do you get in your armchair, with your legs wrapped in your tartan blanket, supping warm tea from your tartan flask whilst watching your illegal stream or listening in to Burns & Swan, as you will be this season?

I got so excited last season I nearly spiled my bag of Worthers Original.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Getting boring reading this stuff now, lets get ready for the new season, get behind the manager and lads, all who are more than good enough for the Championship

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

We should've got rid Christmas 2014. I hate sentimentality in football, it rarely happens in other jobs so why should football be any different? Yeah he endeared himself to fans by taking us to the Premier League, but then so did Phil Brown. We didn't even get through the qualifying stages of the Europa League and we made it to an FA Cup final by playing **** or lower division teams. He made a total hash of the January transfer window (and in hindsight, the Summer one as well), refused to change his crap tactics, got us relegated, released the two players who probably would've done a great job getting us back up and gave his own son, who's ability level is just as good as/less than the aforementioned, a two year deal.

He got us out the Championship before, fair enough he'll probably get until Christmas. But in an ideal world we'd have sacked him following relegation and brought in somebody with some fresh ideas. I can't stand the thought of playing 3-5-2 in the Championship, not now.

Fresh ideas usually means the likes of Parkinson, and Molby with us, and ****ing epic disasters

 

[Steven Toast]

Fresh ideas usually means the likes of Parkinson, and Molby with us, and ****ing epic disasters

That's more down to the owners though, one thing the Allams seem to be good at is hiring managers that can do a job, they got Pearson, Barmby and Bruce, it's a half decent track record.

 

[Benjo]

Getting boring reading this stuff now, lets get ready for the new season, get behind the manager and lads, all who are more than good enough for the Championship

That's a defeatist comment. This is what we said as things were going to pot last year. Look what happened.

I'd give Bruce until early December at this point but give him a restricted budget for summer. With the rumoured fees for some of our players there's been interest in he should have enough to bolster our line-up suitable to this league...

If he doesn't do a good job of recruitment, formation, tactics, or league position before early December then it's time he moved on and someone else were brought in with enough time to change the tactics and figure out who we need to recruit in January to suit out new playing style and have a promotion push in the second half of the season.

Bruce's football has been dour for well over a calendar year now. He needs to show he can change that or he needs to go. This is the priority.

Who's to say we couldn't get someone in better suited to manage a promotion push for us!?

 

[Amin Arrears]

Bruce out.

Should never have been appointed. FACT.

 

[Quill]

That's a defeatist comment. This is what we said as things were going to pot last year. Look what happened.

I'd give Bruce until early December at this point but give him a restricted budget for summer. With the rumoured fees for some of our players there's been interest in he should have enough to bolster our line-up suitable to this league...

If he doesn't do a good job of recruitment, formation, tactics, or league position before early December then it's time he moved on and someone else were brought in with enough time to change the tactics and figure out who we need to recruit in January to suit out new playing style and have a promotion push in the second half of the season.

Bruce's football has been dour for well over a calendar year now. He needs to show he can change that or he needs to go. This is the priority.

Who's to say we couldn't get someone in better suited to manage a promotion push for us!?

How is saying "get behind the manager and lads, all who are more than good enough for the Championship" defeatist?

Surely defeatist would be saying something like "We're going to get relegated again, we're ****, all the players will piss off, etc."

 

[Amin Arrears]

How is saying "get behind the manager and lads, all who are more than good enough for the Championship" defeatist?

Surely defeatist would be saying something like "We're going to get relegated again, we're ****, all the players will piss off, etc."

It's ostrichist.

 

[Fez]

Bruce out.

Should never have been appointed. FACT.

Start a banner thread, trust me.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

How is saying "get behind the manager and lads, all who are more than good enough for the Championship" defeatist?

Surely defeatist would be saying something like "We're going to get relegated again, we're ****, all the players will piss off, etc."

It's the exact opposite of defeatist, I didn't understand his comment at all