State vs Religion

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Archers Road said:
I knew someone would be along to google references to hell in the Bible.

Well done, you found four.

I would contend that in each of those instances, the word is used for dramatic effect, and that an eternity of torment, used to threaten illiterate peasants in the Middle Ages, has no place in contemporary Christian doctrine.
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You can contend what you like. I was curious to see if your claim was accurate. As usual, it wasn't. <ok>
 
DMD said:
You can contend what you like. I was curious to see if your claim was accurate. As usual, it wasn't. <ok>
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Debatable. Not the opinion part, but the bit about hell.
It's in the English translations, but not in Hebrew or Greek, barring one instance of the latter.
Like the Virgin Mary thing, it's probably not what the authors were talking about.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Debatable. Not the opinion part, but the bit about hell.
It's in the English translations, but not in Hebrew or Greek, barring one instance of the latter.
Like the Virgin Mary thing, it's probably not what the authors were talking about.
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The bible most people in this country use contains the word. That's the only bit I was questioning.
 
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DMD said:
The bible most people in this country use contains the word. That's the only bit I was questioning.
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The one that condemns homosexuality, that was commissioned by a gay bloke with a child bride? Yeah, that one definitely does mention hell.
 
Simple Saffy said:
There's no way that we are the 2nd most country who has their laws influenced by religion. It's laughable. We have abortions and everything which goes against Christianity.

Here's 30 countries where heads of state must belong to a certain religion. I'm guessing they'll be influenced more than us.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...s-of-state-must-belong-to-a-certain-religion/
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The CofE is pretty moderate in terms of what people are and aren't supposed to do so I presume that even if bishops did have an influence it wouldn't make any real difference.
 
Dan Starkey 2 said:
The CofE is pretty moderate in terms of what people are and aren't supposed to do so I presume that even if bishops did have an influence it wouldn't make any real difference.
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I don't think that I've ever seen an article about how they vote, to be honest.
They could be completely moderate or utterly fringe and I'm not sure anyone would be any the wiser.
Maybe we can read something into that, though? If they were extreme, then we might hear about it.
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
I don't think that I've ever seen an article about how they vote, to be honest.
They could be completely moderate or utterly fringe and I'm not sure anyone would be any the wiser.
Maybe we can read something into that, though? If they were extreme, then we might hear about it.
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Completely agree - I deliberately avoided using the word extreme though <laugh>
 
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Simple Saffy said:
Never read a page in the bible. I'd only use religious books to wipe my ****ty hairy arse with lol
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You don't know what you're missing mate. Next time you have a blistering, gale force hangover, try this, from Psalm 22...

I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax, it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
My strength is dried up like a potsherd: and my tongue cleaves to my jaws, and thou hast brought me into the dust of death

...but be not far from me, oh Lord. O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Save me from the lion's mouth; for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
 
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This looks an intelligent thread, probably why I don't understand a fooking word of it. Either that or all the nutters have gathered in one place and i just stumbled in the door.
 
Simple Saffy said:
There's no way that we are the 2nd most country who has their laws influenced by religion. It's laughable. We have abortions and everything which goes against Christianity.

Here's 30 countries where heads of state must belong to a certain religion. I'm guessing they'll be influenced more than us.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...s-of-state-must-belong-to-a-certain-religion/
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The fact is mate that we rank second to Iran in unelected clergy having a say. That's before you add in the monarch, albeit her involvement is pretty much to sign off on things presented

It was Henry the 8th who started it
 
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