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Finally are we all SR out?


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They did put football people in charge, twice actually, and both times those people left pretty quickly to much bigger clubs. That at least suggests they have some idea about which football people to appoint. We have no idea why they haven’t appointed someone after Wilcox, maybe they are too ambitious in who they want and couldn’t find what they deem a suitable person. Or maybe Rasmus fancied doing the job it was widely reported everyone at SR thought he failed at last time so they just let him do it again for the lols.

The most common criticism of owners in football is that they get too involved with the football side, which it looks like SR are doing right now with no football person in charge. I don’t think you’ll find a Saints fan who agrees that they should be running the footballing side like they are currently. Based on what they’ve done before I don’t think this is what they want either, so some form of compromise on getting someone in appears to be needed.

As ever there is so much we will never know because we are just fans. For example the recruitment when we went down, was Joe Shields there saying something like “I worked with these kids at City and they are all mint and they can come in and do a job straight away” we did sign a mixture of kids and more experienced players that window and basically all the experienced players were ****, who signed off on them, presumably Shields/scouting team/Rasmus? We just don’t know.

Ultimately they are in charge so they get the blame, and as I said previously Solak is the most important one who we need to stay in my view. Reminds me a bit of Everton where Moshiri was pumping money in and getting bad advice on which football person to let run the club, the fans turned on him eventually when really all he did was lose a **** ton of money due to poor advice being given.

For me there is nothing more boring than being a club that finishes around mid table year after year in the PL. I’m not naive enough to think that SR (or any owner of a club like ours) wouldn’t snap your hand off for that if offered, but I think it’s boring and pointless. Unfortunately with football the way it is that is probably our ceiling, unless you can find a method to grow the club in a relatively short space of time.

To me the only way to do that (outside of a Man City like takeover) is to invest in young players, let them play and grow and move up the league with them, sell them for big money, reinvest and rinse and repeat until you are competing further up the league regularly and some of them want to stay/you have a stronger squad overall due to investing the money from player sales.

This is, imo, what SR are attempting to do. It’s exceptionally hard as recruiting young players is like 80% luck I’d say, and they tried too much too soon with a big shift towards it in season 1 when a more gradual approach was needed. But due to lack of investment over a number of season prior the attitude was we needed a big overhaul and with the relatively small pot of money to do that they went down the quantity route which is obviously risky. But I don’t mind the overall approach as, even though it is likely to fail, it is the only way I can see us growing into anything more than an also ran

Well that went on much longer than I was expecting <laugh> Well done if anyone bothered to read it

I had to spend 90 seconds scrolling to the top of this post to check it wasn’t Ian Thumwood.

And to be fair, can’t argue against any of this. Top post.
 
The people in charge under Gao did well to keep us up for several years with nothing to work with. But we had no future under Gao. You can’t survive for long in the PL with no money to spend and we would have been ****ed financially as a club when the inevitable eventually happened. So yeah, SR are **** at the football part of running a football club. They have made too many mistakes to list and continue to do so. They’ve been the ones in charge and the ones to tip us over the edge with our last relegation and the most annoying part for me personally is that they appear to be ****ing slow learners and are just making a bunch of the same mistakes again as we sleep walk to one of the most embarrassing ‘attempts’ at survival in PL history this time round.
And yet, we won’t ever be up **** creek financially as a club under them. They want the club to be successful, despite doing an awful job of making that happen. And so whilst there is money, and whilst there is ambition I will always, always prefer that to no money and no ambition. At least there’s hope that they’ll get more things right eventually. There is potential upside under SR whereas there really wasn’t any under Gao. Now if an incredibly wealthy person/people who are excellent at running football clubs want to take us over then sign me up. But that doesn’t seem terribly likely to happen, so we’ve just got to hope they start learning from their many mistakes quicker and put some proper football people in charge rather than constantly trying to be clever ****s.
 
They did put football people in charge, twice actually, and both times those people left pretty quickly to much bigger clubs. That at least suggests they have some idea about which football people to appoint. We have no idea why they haven’t appointed someone after Wilcox, maybe they are too ambitious in who they want and couldn’t find what they deem a suitable person. Or maybe Rasmus fancied doing the job it was widely reported everyone at SR thought he failed at last time so they just let him do it again for the lols.

The most common criticism of owners in football is that they get too involved with the football side, which it looks like SR are doing right now with no football person in charge. I don’t think you’ll find a Saints fan who agrees that they should be running the footballing side like they are currently. Based on what they’ve done before I don’t think this is what they want either, so some form of compromise on getting someone in appears to be needed.

As ever there is so much we will never know because we are just fans. For example the recruitment when we went down, was Joe Shields there saying something like “I worked with these kids at City and they are all mint and they can come in and do a job straight away” we did sign a mixture of kids and more experienced players that window and basically all the experienced players were ****, who signed off on them, presumably Shields/scouting team/Rasmus? We just don’t know.

Ultimately they are in charge so they get the blame, and as I said previously Solak is the most important one who we need to stay in my view. Reminds me a bit of Everton where Moshiri was pumping money in and getting bad advice on which football person to let run the club, the fans turned on him eventually when really all he did was lose a **** ton of money due to poor advice being given.

For me there is nothing more boring than being a club that finishes around mid table year after year in the PL. I’m not naive enough to think that SR (or any owner of a club like ours) wouldn’t snap your hand off for that if offered, but I think it’s boring and pointless. Unfortunately with football the way it is that is probably our ceiling, unless you can find a method to grow the club in a relatively short space of time.

To me the only way to do that (outside of a Man City like takeover) is to invest in young players, let them play and grow and move up the league with them, sell them for big money, reinvest and rinse and repeat until you are competing further up the league regularly and some of them want to stay/you have a stronger squad overall due to investing the money from player sales.

This is, imo, what SR are attempting to do. It’s exceptionally hard as recruiting young players is like 80% luck I’d say, and they tried too much too soon with a big shift towards it in season 1 when a more gradual approach was needed. But due to lack of investment over a number of season prior the attitude was we needed a big overhaul and with the relatively small pot of money to do that they went down the quantity route which is obviously risky. But I don’t mind the overall approach as, even though it is likely to fail, it is the only way I can see us growing into anything more than an also ran

Well that went on much longer than I was expecting <laugh> Well done if anyone bothered to read it

Spot on mate.
 
Some very good posts describing our present situation, but on this forum it is preaching to the converted, it is hard to think of ways to persuade the owners and Manager to change their ways. Individual action is futile, it is bad for the Club and self harming for the individual. The old fashioned method of writing a letter of complaint or a co-ordinated petition doesn't happen any more, instead it is left to the keyboard cowboys on the Internet to do the work, but sadly that gets fouled up by some of the idiotic posts which are mostly ignored and are of no help at all. It needs a sensible co-ordinated effort but who is clever enough to organise it?
 
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Some very good posts describing our present situation, but on this forum it is preaching to the converted, it is hard to think of ways to persuade the owners and Manager to change their ways. Individual action is futile, it is bad for the Club and self harming for the individual. The old fashioned method of writing a letter of complaint or a co-ordinated petition doesn't happen any more, instead it is left to the keyboard cowboys on the Internet to do the work, but sadly that gets fouled up by some of the idiotic posts which are mostly ignored and are of no help at all. It needs a sensible co-ordinated effort but who is clever enough to organise it?

We’re all very low IQ here. Sorry.
 
I'd never seen this article before (and wish I hadn't) how the **** have we ended up with someone like this at the sharp end of decision making at our club?

The guy is outrageously deluded. Don't need to worry about the league table lads, everything is a-ok. I bet when Martin met SR he couldn't sign the contract quick enough. Knowing that he won't be measured on actual results. <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all
 
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They did put football people in charge, twice actually, and both times those people left pretty quickly to much bigger clubs. That at least suggests they have some idea about which football people to appoint. We have no idea why they haven’t appointed someone after Wilcox, maybe they are too ambitious in who they want and couldn’t find what they deem a suitable person. Or maybe Rasmus fancied doing the job it was widely reported everyone at SR thought he failed at last time so they just let him do it again for the lols.

The most common criticism of owners in football is that they get too involved with the football side, which it looks like SR are doing right now with no football person in charge. I don’t think you’ll find a Saints fan who agrees that they should be running the footballing side like they are currently. Based on what they’ve done before I don’t think this is what they want either, so some form of compromise on getting someone in appears to be needed.

As ever there is so much we will never know because we are just fans. For example the recruitment when we went down, was Joe Shields there saying something like “I worked with these kids at City and they are all mint and they can come in and do a job straight away” we did sign a mixture of kids and more experienced players that window and basically all the experienced players were ****, who signed off on them, presumably Shields/scouting team/Rasmus? We just don’t know.

Ultimately they are in charge so they get the blame, and as I said previously Solak is the most important one who we need to stay in my view. Reminds me a bit of Everton where Moshiri was pumping money in and getting bad advice on which football person to let run the club, the fans turned on him eventually when really all he did was lose a **** ton of money due to poor advice being given.

For me there is nothing more boring than being a club that finishes around mid table year after year in the PL. I’m not naive enough to think that SR (or any owner of a club like ours) wouldn’t snap your hand off for that if offered, but I think it’s boring and pointless. Unfortunately with football the way it is that is probably our ceiling, unless you can find a method to grow the club in a relatively short space of time.

To me the only way to do that (outside of a Man City like takeover) is to invest in young players, let them play and grow and move up the league with them, sell them for big money, reinvest and rinse and repeat until you are competing further up the league regularly and some of them want to stay/you have a stronger squad overall due to investing the money from player sales.

This is, imo, what SR are attempting to do. It’s exceptionally hard as recruiting young players is like 80% luck I’d say, and they tried too much too soon with a big shift towards it in season 1 when a more gradual approach was needed. But due to lack of investment over a number of season prior the attitude was we needed a big overhaul and with the relatively small pot of money to do that they went down the quantity route which is obviously risky. But I don’t mind the overall approach as, even though it is likely to fail, it is the only way I can see us growing into anything more than an also ran

Well that went on much longer than I was expecting <laugh> Well done if anyone bothered to read it

Bang on for me. Think it’s tougher than it was when Markus bought us originally with all the FFP & PSR. The approach and recruitment has been for the most part fine, especially after Wilcox came. Think they’ve stuck with Martin, and given him more freedom post Wilcox due to financial constraints & that they’ve finally committed to a footballing philosophy after 3 different managers/styles (if you can call them styles lol) the season before last and these are largely the reason I think the club will stick with Russ. If we sack him we lose 80% our signings straight away imho. He has the backing of board and players & think WHEN we do finally go down, if he sticks around we might somehow manage to persuade some of our better signings/players (THB, Fernandes, Dibling & Downes) to stick around on a KWP type agreement that if we don’t come straight back up then they can bugger off
 
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I'd never seen this article before (and wish I hadn't) how the **** have we ended up with someone like this at the sharp end of decision making at our club?

The guy is outrageously deluded. Don't need to worry about the league table lads, everything is a-ok. I bet when Martin met SR he couldn't sign the contract quick enough. Knowing that he won't be measured on actual results. <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all

Oh the man is a total penis.
 
Bang on for me. Think it’s tougher than it was when Markus bought us originally with all the FFP & PSR. The approach and recruitment has been for the most part fine, especially after Wilcox came. Think they’ve stuck with Martin, and given him more freedom post Wilcox due to financial constraints & that they’ve finally committed to a footballing philosophy after 3 different managers/styles (if you can call them styles lol) the season before last and these are largely the reason I think the club will stick with Russ. If we sack him we lose 80% our signings straight away imho. He has the backing of board and players & think WHEN we do finally go down, if he sticks around we might somehow manage to persuade some of our better signings/players (THB, Fernandes, Dibling & Downes) to stick around on a KWP type agreement that if we don’t come straight back up then they can bugger off


The recruitment has been appalling! (with perhaps the exception of Lavia and Livramento) If being bored ****less for an entire game and still losing is a philosophy, then yes SR have really committed to it. When we break Derby's PL total do you think the fans will want him in the Championship?
 
The recruitment has been appalling! (with perhaps the exception of Lavia and Livramento) If being bored ****less for an entire game and still losing is a philosophy, then yes SR have really committed to it. When we break Derby's PL total do you think the fans will want him in the Championship?

Livramento wasn't even a SR find; he signed in the summer of 2021.

Lavia is probably the only true gem they've found (and before someone mentions Fernandes, it's far too early to say)
 
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I'd never seen this article before (and wish I hadn't) how the **** have we ended up with someone like this at the sharp end of decision making at our club?

The guy is outrageously deluded. Don't need to worry about the league table lads, everything is a-ok. I bet when Martin met SR he couldn't sign the contract quick enough. Knowing that he won't be measured on actual results. <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all
The recruitment has been appalling! (with perhaps the exception of Lavia and Livramento) If being bored ****less for an entire game and still losing is a philosophy, then yes SR have really committed to it. When we break Derby's PL total do you think the fans will want him in the Championship?

Personally don’t think it been as bad as your making out since Martin has been here. Most of this forum were buzzing with our summer recruitments if I remember rightly.. minus the £30/40mill Striker we never signed or were ever going to, we’ve done good as we can.

THB, Downes, Ramsdale, Fernandes = Quality signings
Sugawara, Archer, Lallana = Good / arguably very good signings
Fraser, Brooks, Rothwell, Charles, Edozie = Decent signings/loans that helped us get straight back into the Prem

For me the mega flops have been Sulemana, BBD & Stewart really. Feel for Ross situ as he was quality at Sunderland but defo yeah poor piece of business signing injured player

Alcaraz could be considered a flop too but showed glimpses of real quality, Tall Paul not fair to judge in my opinion, not exactly had a fair run in of game time.

Ugo / Cornet probs turn out as flops.

Think a lot of peoples expectation levels are bit too high right now. We simply can’t compete without spending the higher amounts of money needed / signing way more players. Look at Forest and where they’re at right now, spent **** loads when they came up & now competing at the top

Even Bournemouth & Brighton have spent far far more & are established top half competing Prem clubs. Hence why the likes of our main summer target O Reilly will pick a Brighton over us all day long
 
For the record I’m also not defending our style of play or the boards defence of that, Martin & the board defo has a lot to answer for with all that malarkey and should have replaced Wilcox, and I’m obviously just as unhappy as everyone else with the situation we find ourselves in but I don’t agree that we haven’t made some good & sometimes arguably quality decisions/signings since we buggered it last time around in Prem.

The gap between Prem & Champ is far greater than it ever has been and we needed to break the rules (like other teams in this league) and spend way more money in order to make the leap & genuinely compete
 
Personally don’t think it been as bad as your making out since Martin has been here. Most of this forum were buzzing with our summer recruitments if I remember rightly.. minus the £30/40mill Striker we never signed or were ever going to, we’ve done probably good as we can within budget restraints trying to play fair.

THB, Downes, Ramsdale, Fernandes = Quality signings
Sugawara, Archer, Lallana = Good / arguably very good signings
Fraser, Brooks, Rothwell, Charles, Edozie = Decent signings/loans that helped us get straight back into the Prem

For me the mega flops have been Sulemana, BBD & Stewart really. Feel for Ross situ as he was quality at Sunderland but defo yeah poor piece of business signing injured player

Alcaraz could be considered a flop too but showed glimpses of real quality, Tall Paul not fair to judge in my opinion, not exactly had a fair run in of game time.

Ugo / Cornet probs turn out as flops.

Think a lot of peoples expectation levels are bit too high right now. We simply can’t compete without spending the higher amounts of money needed / signing way more players. Look at Forest and where they’re at right now, spent **** loads when they came up & now competing at the top

Even Bournemouth & Brighton have spent far far more & are established top half competing Prem clubs. Hence why the likes of our main summer target O Reilly will pick a Brighton over us all day long