I've already stated he's went up ten fold in my estimation when I saw him walk into the european parliament and let rip on all the MEP's, after the referendum. He's genuinely a very witty and patriotic guy. On the back of that I've watched quite a few videos of him over the years speaking in the eu parliament and I feel like all that time 'he's been my voice'. He's never held back, and again what has been stated by somebody else, he's been accurate an awful lot of things about the eu. He certainly knows a lot more than most people give him credit for.
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I knew our countries economy would suffer when we came out of the eu. I also think things will get worse for the next couple of years, too.
I'm banking on us making trade deals with Australia, Canada, N Zealand, USA, Brazil, India, China, Japan and others. I'm hoping that we can continue to trade with eu countries, mainly Germany and France, but not at the expense of free movement of people. I'm hoping that once we get our trade going, our economy can bounce back stronger than ever.
We the people decided that we want to leave the EU. I now think the people should decide who we want to manage us out of the European union, so I feel the right thing for the conservatives to do, would be to call a general election.
I used words like I'm 'hoping' because I have no idea how this is going to pan out. It could be a massive mistake, but it was a risk I was willing to take. It could be the best thing this country could possibly have done. It could be that we got out at the right time, it could be that the eu now crumbles and we'll be head and shoulders above the rest of Europe as they have to rebuild their economies. (That last scenario is what I think will actually happen)
Nobody knows what is going to happen and I doubt we'll not really see clearly if it's been in our best interests, for a good few years yet. I know one thing though, if I cast my mind back over the last 12 months with the immigrant influx and all the crime rates going up in the countries the immigrants are settling in. I'm sure as hell that I made the right decision, at the time.
I'm banking on us making trade deals with Australia, Canada, N Zealand, USA, Brazil, India, China, Japan and others. I'm hoping that we can continue to trade with eu countries, mainly Germany and France, but not at the expense of free movement of people. I'm hoping that once we get our trade going, our economy can bounce back stronger than ever.
We the people decided that we want to leave the EU. I now think the people should decide who we want to manage us out of the European union, so I feel the right thing for the conservatives to do, would be to call a general election.
I used words like I'm 'hoping' because I have no idea how this is going to pan out. It could be a massive mistake, but it was a risk I was willing to take. It could be the best thing this country could possibly have done. It could be that we got out at the right time, it could be that the eu now crumbles and we'll be head and shoulders above the rest of Europe as they have to rebuild their economies. (That last scenario is what I think will actually happen)
Nobody knows what is going to happen and I doubt we'll not really see clearly if it's been in our best interests, for a good few years yet. I know one thing though, if I cast my mind back over the last 12 months with the immigrant influx and all the crime rates going up in the countries the immigrants are settling in. I'm sure as hell that I made the right decision, at the time.
It's said that 'Old Soldiers Never Die, they just fade away'.
Surely this must now apply to Nigel and UKIP.
The Party's reason for existing, no longer exists.
That battle has been fought and won.
Without a party, has Nigel got a political future?
Not one I can see.
Perhaps whoever is in Government, after the dust has settled, they should bung him off to The House of Lords, as a thank you for a job well done.
I don't think you will be saying a job well done when the consequences of this action start to hit home..
Agree with everything there, polyphemus - except the timing. I think the time for this is after Article 50 is lodged - not before. There are Euro-inclined people around whose habits amount to 'let's have as many re-runs as it takes for us to get our own way' as in Denmark, Ireland, etc. If there is a re-run of our referendum or it is not acted on, then we need UKIP to fall back on. But I do feel if there are any Euro-fiddles this time, UKIP will win the next general election big-time, and rightly so.
I suppose it depends on why I voted out.
I accepted that there would/will be an economic cost.
For me this would be a price worth paying.
The trading bloc we joined has developed into a political union where, as a country, we have lost control of our ability to make our own Laws and our Parliament has, in many ways, been downgraded and made subservient to a foreign body from a different culture.
Our Laws are the result of over 1200 years of refinement. They have been made to suit OUR culture.
Our Parliamentary system has developed to suit our country over 800 years.
I finally gave up on Europe when Their Court ruled that Prisoners should be given the vote.
I also have hopes that The Human Rights Act will be placed into a fiery furnace, (though I would accept a balancing Human Responsibilities Act).
So in my case I will get the outcome I wanted.
I do though take your point as regarding others who might have had different 'hopes'.
Not sure about the cat and his business was only local, not international, although he did have a striking resemblance to Elvis.
Costello that is.
The reaction of Jean Claude Juncker and his cronies to our referendum result speaks loudly, and shows that we were never going to get anywhere in any negotiations. The EU is their domain and we could take it or leave it seemed to be their attitude in dealing with us, no doubt we have surprised them by not caving in, and yes we may loose out short term, but we have a much better chance without them, than they do without us.
I hope you are right mate, the exchange rates and uncertainty in both main parties are telling me there could be a lot of trouble ahead.
Reading this, I've had a thought.
IF we assume that the exchange rates were to stay the same for a while, (and I doubt that), then what we export to Europe will be cheaper, (for them), so we should be able to export more.
What they sell to us will be correspondingly more expensive, so we are likely to import less.
So our balance of payments improves.
And, as long as the exchange rate stays the same, this situation would continue till such time as we officially left.
ALTOGATHER NOW---
Lets look for the Silver ling.
Not really, the raw materials are costing more to import that we need to make the stuff we export.
frighteningly accurate - about what exactly, that we didn't already know?
I hear the government may bring him in as a non-elected governent advisor. Oh the irony. He probably thinks he's getting a peerage.
what, to be an unelected bureaucrat? oh the irony...
How about some thoughts as to The Future. After all 16 mil people have looked at The EU and said 'no thanks'.
Many will have asked themselves, 'if we were outside of this organisation, would I vote to join it as it currently set up'.
Out won.
So lets fantasise about the next few years.
Firstly the next 12 months may well be chaotic, in terms of the uncertainties but the Politicians will eventually make the deals that will see us out.
It may take a few years but everything will settle down in time to a new 'norm'.
Then we are on our own.
A chance to rebuild some lost industries such as Steel perhaps.
Now though we will be, for example, in a position to block any dumping of cheap steel, if that's what's needed.
We will continue to trade with Europe but on a reduced scale, both ways.
Will we succeed?
Why shouldn't we? The UK may well have lost much of it's manufacturing base but that can be rebuilt, if there is a will. Look at India, China, in fact the Far East in general. If Singapore can do it are you seriously suggesting The UK can't?
And we will still have our Service Industries.
Much of the country is sitting on vast reserves of shale gas which, I expect us to learn how to get at safely.
Our Universities should continue to produce Nobel Prize Winners.
Whatever the destiny of Great Britain, it will be OUR Destiny.
And what happens to those countries in The EU?
Can anyone really see this political mish mash of different cultures and outlooks being a success?
Is Germany going to be the new USA with a bloody great statue on it's borders saying, ---, 'Give Me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses'.
I think not. At least not judging by the current unrest there, and that's before Turkey joins the party.
Has The UK been the rat deserting the sinking ship or just the cautious taking the chance to board a safer vessel.
Many will have asked themselves, 'if we were outside of this organisation, would I vote to join it as it currently set up'.
Out won.
So lets fantasise about the next few years.
Firstly the next 12 months may well be chaotic, in terms of the uncertainties but the Politicians will eventually make the deals that will see us out.
It may take a few years but everything will settle down in time to a new 'norm'.
Then we are on our own.
A chance to rebuild some lost industries such as Steel perhaps.
Now though we will be, for example, in a position to block any dumping of cheap steel, if that's what's needed.
We will continue to trade with Europe but on a reduced scale, both ways.
Will we succeed?
Why shouldn't we? The UK may well have lost much of it's manufacturing base but that can be rebuilt, if there is a will. Look at India, China, in fact the Far East in general. If Singapore can do it are you seriously suggesting The UK can't?
And we will still have our Service Industries.
Much of the country is sitting on vast reserves of shale gas which, I expect us to learn how to get at safely.
Our Universities should continue to produce Nobel Prize Winners.
Whatever the destiny of Great Britain, it will be OUR Destiny.
And what happens to those countries in The EU?
Can anyone really see this political mish mash of different cultures and outlooks being a success?
Is Germany going to be the new USA with a bloody great statue on it's borders saying, ---, 'Give Me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses'.
I think not. At least not judging by the current unrest there, and that's before Turkey joins the party.
Has The UK been the rat deserting the sinking ship or just the cautious taking the chance to board a safer vessel.
When other EU countries see what it means NOT to have the UK cash, they will think long and hard about if this corrupt club of theirs is now feasible. The likes of Germany and France will be the obvious ones who will have make up the difference...I just can't see the ordinary people of those countries accepting this...The clock is ticking on the EU...What the UK has voted for is the best way to get this mess dealt with, because I reckon within a few short years the EU will simply have start again....without the federalist, unelected morons who currently run this.
Good post, Flanders. I got quite a surprise from a lot of the U.S. reaction. Have a look at Mayor Giuliani of New York - it's not long :
Trump's been up for us too. Australia and NZ are wanting to be at the front of the queue to trade with us, so all it's not all doom and gloom. We'll see.
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Trump's been up for us too. Australia and NZ are wanting to be at the front of the queue to trade with us, so all it's not all doom and gloom. We'll see.
Right wing media in sovereignty support shocker!! In truth they support this because they can use it as a stick to beat democrats with. I doubt their sincerity.
We won't be at the back of the queue. I never believed that however we won't be at the front. The EU, China and Russia will come before us but we do a lot of trade with them. We are an important trade ally (as well as militarily)
I can't speak for NZ or Australia however in truth I'm not sure how much trade we do with them?!? New Zealand lamb is nice but I prefer my food to come from the field down the road
