If you've had the chance to read all that, then good for you. There's probably more words in that submission than in a George Martin book.
I don't see the harm in asking why you think they're in trouble.
SMC groundsmen gone
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If you've had the chance to read all that, then good for you. There's probably more words in that submission than in a George Martin book.
I don't see the harm in asking why you think they're in trouble.
Sort of reminds me of Dead Bod.City and SMC statement on state of penalty spot almost laughable. Especially picture #2! That wasn't obliviously done this morning by someone from the office!
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/news/articles/2017/201718-sunderland-h-pitch-statement/
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I think this is an argument with neither side been "right".
The groundsmen are obviously at fault to a large degree, as a supervisor you should be aware of your staffs workload (and not allow them to disappear for a couple of hours to do other "duties "). He should also know how many staff he has on a daily basis (4 or 5 divot men???? Surely it must be logged somewhere ). He has obviously failed to supervise correctly.
As for the assistant he clearly abused his position by doing the kit in groundsman hours, cctv and card use prove that, as does his inconsistent account.
The state of the pitch, two managers complaining plus an independent report show their work was below standard.
That said, the management need to take a large chunk of the blame too, why was the groundsmen hours not logged to accurately record toil hours? Why was the supervisor staff list not monitored (surely you want to know who is working for you? ), and was a structured disaplinary process in place (ie oral/written warnings issued, action plan for pitch quality agreed??)
Long and short of it, both sides look ridiculous
The groundsmen are obviously at fault to a large degree, as a supervisor you should be aware of your staffs workload (and not allow them to disappear for a couple of hours to do other "duties "). He should also know how many staff he has on a daily basis (4 or 5 divot men???? Surely it must be logged somewhere ). He has obviously failed to supervise correctly.
As for the assistant he clearly abused his position by doing the kit in groundsman hours, cctv and card use prove that, as does his inconsistent account.
The state of the pitch, two managers complaining plus an independent report show their work was below standard.
That said, the management need to take a large chunk of the blame too, why was the groundsmen hours not logged to accurately record toil hours? Why was the supervisor staff list not monitored (surely you want to know who is working for you? ), and was a structured disaplinary process in place (ie oral/written warnings issued, action plan for pitch quality agreed??)
Long and short of it, both sides look ridiculous
If you read the statement again I think you might see that is was a response to some abuse the current ground staff have received and some negative remarks in the local media about it. I heard one well known radio journalist 'having to chuckle' on air this morning.
I think its incredibly petty how some of our own supporters are almost willing things to go tits up.
City and SMC statement on state of penalty spot almost laughable. Especially picture #2! That wasn't obliviously done this morning by someone from the office!
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/news/articles/2017/201718-sunderland-h-pitch-statement/
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Brilliant. Couldn't even be arsed to draw around a plate or something.
Oh good maybe we can do away with acas and employment tribunals. That'll save the country some money.
Ah just come on mebbe they have mebbe they haven't just let em keep their job and it'll be fine. Marvelous.
We can do away with unions too.
The abuse to the current ground staff was not about the penalty spot.
"Our current groundsmen have also received verbal abuse on a matchday due to the ongoing employment tribunal case with two former employees, this is both unnecessary and unacceptable."
The evidence is the picture of the penalty spot, it's ****e. Then to go public and say they are using less paint because it damages the grass, GTF.
Abuse is abuse. I heard they are also watering the beer down, putting less meat in the meat pies, using cheaper tea bags and putting bricks in the toilet cisterns to save water.
Staff working at the ground being abused is brilliant? Or the club taking issue with lies in the media, and staff being abused, and deciding to stand up for them is brilliant?
Sadly, your response does not surprise me, or anyone else.
It's hardly big on the first one.
It is weird the ref hasn't picked up on it.
I've twice played in games whereby the ref missed noticing there was no penalty spot at the start of a game, and ended up pacing out 12 yds to see where the ball was placed after giving a penalty. That was toppish amateur league.
It something they probably never think to check.
Great idea. If only.
From a superficial reading of headlines, it's easy for some to get swept along with sympathy for the groundsmen.
I know the lawyers who advise / represent the club and there is no way they would allow the club to sack them unless they knew they were on safe ground.
Not saying the club are blameless and squeaky clean, or couldn't have handle things better. Of course they're not and of course they could.
But they wouldn't have been sacked without good cause.
City and SMC statement on state of penalty spot almost laughable. Especially picture #2! That wasn't obliviously done this morning by someone from the office!
https://www.hullcitytigers.com/news/articles/2017/201718-sunderland-h-pitch-statement/
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1. I think it's reasonable for people to question the grounds work, it is after all important enough that that you could lose your job over it not being good
2. Why is the new style penalty spot a spiral? It looks like someone has done it with crayo....never mind, cancel this question
3. If the new ground staff have been abused that is not fair and is unacceptable
4. If people have thrown stones at the A's house that is not fair and is unacceptable...
5. Why has it only just been discovered that the paint used on football pitches damages football pitches? I don't know the exact date but I reckon that paint has been used on football pitches for...a considerable time. I look forward to this pitch saving change to be adopted across the footballing world and Hull City AFC being rightly recognised as pioneers in this field. Remember where you were when this momentous occasion happened
I think that the SMC should use a circular beermat instead of paint.
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Don't tell me you so completely misunderstood the context in which the words this is brilliant were used?