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Folk have got to stop looking at this as a fight, a battle. For those who want change to the oppressive regime (dramatic but true) there needs to be clarity that not all battles must be won to win a war. That is what is in front of you, a moral and public spirited war of attrition to save the integrity of your club.

The OSC is not only ineffectual, but also damaging. Their subservience to the club is Quisling like and needs to be abandoned and dismissed as any form of supporter representation.

Take whatever action feels right to you, but listen and share with the HCST. Join it, encourage others, your mam, dad, everyone and anyone to join it. Give them the numbers that give them a voice; their voice can and will bring change for the better. The bigger they are the more allies will come to their (your) aid.

I would encourage them, the Trust, to take the longer view (I think they are) as there will probably be no immediate wins, but probably quite a few tears. Deadlines are those of the club, terms and conditions are those of the club, dignity, truth, patience and strength will belong to the Trust, so join with them and win the war.

The most important thing is that the club hears a very clear declaration of war, no more nice words of appeasement, just straightforward claims of you have gone too far, enough is enough.

A membership scheme could be a good thing, if structured correctly, this one is far from that. Your choice of membership is almost academic, go to games or don't, as the club has railroaded choice. The key thing is to join the Trust and help them in an ongoing war against this hideous scheme, as it won't be won soon.
Thats almost Churchillian.
 
Alternatively, they could put the prices down. And I might have a threesome this weekend with a couple of supermodels, win the lottery and run the marathon in a world record time. On the other hand...
I'd suggest you do that in a different order, otherwise it'll be a cardiac surgeon massaging you.:emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Folk have got to stop looking at this as a fight, a battle. For those who want change to the oppressive regime (dramatic but true) there needs to be clarity that not all battles must be won to win a war. That is what is in front of you, a moral and public spirited war of attrition to save the integrity of your club.

The OSC is not only ineffectual, but also damaging. Their subservience to the club is Quisling like and needs to be abandoned and dismissed as any form of supporter representation.

Take whatever action feels right to you, but listen and share with the HCST. Join it, encourage others, your mam, dad, everyone and anyone to join it. Give them the numbers that give them a voice; their voice can and will bring change for the better. The bigger they are the more allies will come to their (your) aid.

I would encourage them, the Trust, to take the longer view (I think they are) as there will probably be no immediate wins, but probably quite a few tears. Deadlines are those of the club, terms and conditions are those of the club, dignity, truth, patience and strength will belong to the Trust, so join with them and win the war.

The most important thing is that the club hears a very clear declaration of war, no more nice words of appeasement, just straightforward claims of you have gone too far, enough is enough.

A membership scheme could be a good thing, if structured correctly, this one is far from that. Your choice of membership is almost academic, go to games or don't, as the club has railroaded choice. The key thing is to join the Trust and help them in an ongoing war against this hideous scheme, as it won't be won soon.
Agreed.
So 'x' people join the membership scheme. For a price of 'y' quid. An uncertain number, which may or may not give the owners some sense of support/lack of support for the scheme.
Once those numbers are known, a second wave of demonstration should be embarked upon. The Trust and word of mouth should advertise strongly to pick a game early next season to encourage as many as possible to boycott a particular match. If its only 1/23rd or 1/19th of 'y' quid (the price of season admission) for joining a boycott, then that may well be palatable for many to join a boycott. The first televised home game would be ideal for such a demonstration, with "red cards" being handed out by protest organizers (Trust ?) to the reduced attendees on the day. The press should be lobbied by the Trust to attend & report on that selected game in addition to the TV company . Such a move in my mind would maximize the fact that many object to the membership scheme and support those who lose out by it, but those who do attend are sympathetic to the objections to it. A half full stadium, with those in the stadium brandishing red cards in sympathy/support.
Might work. Perhaps even lower the divide between those who are adamant & refuse to join up and those who don't want to miss physically supporting their team on the day, in a show of solidarity.
 
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What's the arrangements for those in upper west?

Do they renew their old seats and hope to find a space if it's closed?

It's separate to the membership scheme and looks to be going ahead unchallenged, despite their potentially being considerable ramifications.
 
It gets worse.
After reading that i cant believe that 4.500 have signed up.
It wouldnt surprise me if they ended up with 10,000 members the way its going
I'd be surprised if it does.

We're hardly going to lose our seats as lots aren't buying in.
 
A half full stadium, with those in the stadium brandishing red cards in sympathy/support.

unless we get promotion, the stadium will be half full anyway - by now Allam will realise that he's completely ****ed up - maybe he was lucky with Allam Marine and actually believes his own hype about being a business genius - now he must realise that he isn't and is a small fish in very rich pond
 
unless we get promotion, the stadium will be half full anyway - by now Allam will realise that he's completely ****ed up - maybe he was lucky with Allam Marine and actually believes his own hype about being a business genius - now he must realise that he isn't and is a small fish in very rich pond
See my previous post...his other business is tapping into disasters...
 
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Agreed.
So 'x' people join the membership scheme. For a price of 'y' quid. An uncertain number, which may or may not give the owners some sense of support/lack of support for the scheme.
Once those numbers are known, a second wave of demonstration should be embarked upon. The Trust and word of mouth should advertise strongly to pick a game early next season to encourage as many as possible to boycott a particular match. If its only 1/23rd or 1/19th of 'y' quid (the price of season admission) for joining a boycott, then that may well be palatable for many to join a boycott. The first televised home game would be ideal for such a demonstration, with "red cards" being handed out by protest organizers (Trust ?) to the reduced attendees on the day. The press should be lobbied by the Trust to attend & report on that selected game in addition to the TV company . Such a move in my mind would maximize the fact that many object to the membership scheme and support those who lose out by it, but those who do attend are sympathetic to the objections to it. A half full stadium, with those in the stadium brandishing red cards in sympathy/support.
Might work. Perhaps even lower the divide between those who are adamant & refuse to join up and those who don't want to miss physically supporting their team on the day, in a show of solidarity.

i like your idea of 'x' people. i hoped there might be one or two already as i've been a board user for some years and could have built up a little bit of a following, but it hadn't occurred to me before you mentioned it that that might be how they identify themselves nor that there might be enough of them to spearhead some sort of decisive action in the war against the madness of the owners. good heavens. well, i am ready to shoulder the responsibility of leading my followers for the good of the club, its fans, and the city. it's a little overwhelming and i can feel the hand of history on my shoulder, presumably trying to thrust greatness on me. i will do what i can, for the greater good and not for personal glory. where do i sign? is there a salary?
 
What's the arrangements for those in upper west?

Do they renew their old seats and hope to find a space if it's closed?

It's separate to the membership scheme and looks to be going ahead unchallenged, despite their potentially being considerable ramifications.

West Upper Only – Please call the Membership Team to select a new seat – however, if the club is promoted you will have the option to move back to Upper Tier between 2nd June – 7th June

http://www.hullcitytigers.com/documents/earn-your-stripes-brochure116-3061002.pdf
 
Agreed.
So 'x' people join the membership scheme. For a price of 'y' quid. An uncertain number, which may or may not give the owners some sense of support/lack of support for the scheme.
Once those numbers are known, a second wave of demonstration should be embarked upon. The Trust and word of mouth should advertise strongly to pick a game early next season to encourage as many as possible to boycott a particular match. If its only 1/23rd or 1/19th of 'y' quid (the price of season admission) for joining a boycott, then that may well be palatable for many to join a boycott. The first televised home game would be ideal for such a demonstration, with "red cards" being handed out by protest organizers (Trust ?) to the reduced attendees on the day. The press should be lobbied by the Trust to attend & report on that selected game in addition to the TV company . Such a move in my mind would maximize the fact that many object to the membership scheme and support those who lose out by it, but those who do attend are sympathetic to the objections to it. A half full stadium, with those in the stadium brandishing red cards in sympathy/support.
Might work. Perhaps even lower the divide between those who are adamant & refuse to join up and those who don't want to miss physically supporting their team on the day, in a show of solidarity.

If we start next season with the current scheme in place, then it will almost certainly remain in place whatever happens. We're all painfully aware of how stubborn the owners are and if protests and poor sales don't stop it now, they're unlikely to have much effect once the season starts.

Current sales of 4,500 memberships is obviously piss poor, it will be interesting to see how many now decide to renew before Friday's deadline. If it remains very low, I expect the club will sit back and pray for promotion. Should promotion not be achieved and sales end up over 30% down on current pass sales, I can't see there'll be any option but to change it.
 
Its not like a mobile phone contract though. If I understand the position of the Trust and Amber Nectar the scheme may well be illegal.
I hope you're right
I was really just referring to the idea that a monthly fee could be increased with notice, but I take your point
 
What's the arrangements for those in upper west?

Do they renew their old seats and hope to find a space if it's closed?

It's separate to the membership scheme and looks to be going ahead unchallenged, despite their potentially being considerable ramifications.
It's the other way round I think
They choose a new seat but then can move back to the original if promoted
I agree these new evictions are being underplayed, sadly I expect lots of them may move and find they don't know people around them, feel no affinity for the area because of that and then gradually drift off the season after anyway
In fact presumably the 1700 evictees are included in the 4500 renewals, which bearing in mind they will have surely gone early if at all makes the figure look even worse
 
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There is a figure of 4,500 renewals doing the rounds - but isn't it inevitable that the number will be depressed at this stage? Anyone who is an existing ST holder and intending to move to a new area of the ground to get a cheaper price won't have renewed yet, that comes in a couple of weeks' time. No idea what the numbers wanting to do this may be - perhaps only a few hundred? - but the true renewals number will emerge once that period is closed.

I wonder what the club's measure of success is? 12,500 season passes were sold for this season iirc, is half of those renewing going to fit their business model? I very much doubt it. Is renewal by all of the current ST holders the expectation? That's seems unlikely to happen.
 
i like your idea of 'x' people. i hoped there might be one or two already as i've been a board user for some years and could have built up a little bit of a following, but it hadn't occurred to me before you mentioned it that that might be how they identify themselves nor that there might be enough of them to spearhead some sort of decisive action in the war against the madness of the owners. good heavens. well, i am ready to shoulder the responsibility of leading my followers for the good of the club, its fans, and the city. it's a little overwhelming and i can feel the hand of history on my shoulder, presumably trying to thrust greatness on me. i will do what i can, for the greater good and not for personal glory. where do i sign? is there a salary?

If you win the war, win the land, will you give your people a capital?
 
If we start next season with the current scheme in place, then it will almost certainly remain in place whatever happens. We're all painfully aware of how stubborn the owners are and if protests and poor sales don't stop it now, they're unlikely to have much effect once the season starts.

Current sales of 4,500 memberships is obviously piss poor, it will be interesting to see how many now decide to renew before Friday's deadline. If it remains very low, I expect the club will sit back and pray for promotion. Should promotion not be achieved and sales end up over 30% down on current pass sales, I can't see there'll be any option but to change it.

Or, perhaps, they believe that more expensive day tickets will be their preferred option. It would be interesting to model comparisons to show the break-even points of the old and the new - also the lower ST sales against high (normal).
 
It's the other way round I think
They choose a new seat but then can move back to the original if promoted
I agree these new evictions are being underplayed, sadly I expect lots of them may move and find they don't know people around them, feel no affinity for the area because of that and then gradually drift off the season after anyway
In fact presumably the 1700 evictees are included in the 4500 renewals, which bearing in mind they will have surely gone early if at all makes the figure look even worse

This Friday's cut off is for existing pass holders to secure their seats, as people in the West Upper can't currently secure theirs and are the most pissed off group, I doubt many of the 1,700 have signed up.
 
As part of a group of 10, mostly family, supporters who have sat together for years, I have reluctantly renewed because of the threat of losing my seat with the others. However many renewals take place, the majority are likely to be similarly reluctant. Renewal can in no way be taken as support for this scheme, but simply feels like something we've been forced into under duress.