Someone stop this sensibleness!
Should Newcastle replace Eddie Howe
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Someone stop this sensibleness!
As I said the situation is glaringly obvious. When the manager resorts to lying about the fitness of players as he’s done repeatedly this season (Pope, Wissa and now Gordon) it’s a really bad sign. When the crowd starts booing, you’re in a massive hole. And when the same mistakes appear so often and start creating a pattern - which the manager then lives in utter denial about, using words like “uncharacteristic” - then you’re screwed.
Howe by his own admission is incredibly stubborn. He has repeatedly doubled down on a formation and tactic that just doesn’t work often enough. Our best moments have been when there’s been a fire to us coupled with an opposition happy to run the risk of us countering. Thats all but dried up completely. Howes not going to change. Why anyone thinks he suddenly will in spite of overwhelming evidence not just from this season but from two years ago and his time at Bournemouth is insanity. The players just don’t seem to give a ****. Gordon and Tonali are as good as gone, does anyone have any faith we’re going to replace them adequately, with Howe and nephew there? I’m afraid I don’t, I just see us offering for the likes of Connor Gallagher.
The rebuild is insanely big. As it stands to get back to the level I suspect the owners want we have no competent keeper, one right back, one left back, two cbs, no cdm, no cam, and our front 6 are dreadful. I’ve said repeatedly we end a transfer window usually 2 or 3 shy of what’s required - given we need about 8 players this summer minimum, we’re in a world of trouble and for some bizarre sentimentality a number of fans want to give the bloke who got us here more time!!
Howe by his own admission is incredibly stubborn. He has repeatedly doubled down on a formation and tactic that just doesn’t work often enough. Our best moments have been when there’s been a fire to us coupled with an opposition happy to run the risk of us countering. Thats all but dried up completely. Howes not going to change. Why anyone thinks he suddenly will in spite of overwhelming evidence not just from this season but from two years ago and his time at Bournemouth is insanity. The players just don’t seem to give a ****. Gordon and Tonali are as good as gone, does anyone have any faith we’re going to replace them adequately, with Howe and nephew there? I’m afraid I don’t, I just see us offering for the likes of Connor Gallagher.
The rebuild is insanely big. As it stands to get back to the level I suspect the owners want we have no competent keeper, one right back, one left back, two cbs, no cdm, no cam, and our front 6 are dreadful. I’ve said repeatedly we end a transfer window usually 2 or 3 shy of what’s required - given we need about 8 players this summer minimum, we’re in a world of trouble and for some bizarre sentimentality a number of fans want to give the bloke who got us here more time!!
Howe should remain.
There will be a clear out this summer and we have a Sporting Director in charge. The Sporting Director will dictate the players coming in and not Howe.
That was the position essentially until Staveley left and the players we bought were good enough.
Howe will obviously have a say but then again he did when we bought Trippier, Bruno, Gordon, Tino, Hall etc al. Amazing how some have short, convenient memories on this. Also name me one manager/sporting director who has a 100% record on purchasing good players.
Howe is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. His record proves it. And before anyone starts bleating on about how much we have spent consider how much other teams have spent, where was our starting point in relation to the teams we are competing against now, the financial gap between us and the likes of Man C, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester U and Chelsea with particular regard to wages. Howe isn’t in charge of the finances.
At the start we all agreed it was going to be a bumpy ride. First real bump and the whining is deafening (the main reason a lot of people have stopped/reduced posting on here).
As we've hit a bump we don't start panicking with knee jerk reactions. Sacking EH would be exactly that.
And again before people start misconstrued what I'm saying, I agree this generally has been a poor season. But that doesn't automatically mean we sack the best manager I can remember us having. He's earned the right to have another go at rebuilding our team especially as we have all appropriate personnel in place which we didn't last summer. The saving us from relegation, the two CL qualifications and the winning of a recognised trophy shouldn't be swept under the carpet or forgotten about so quickly or so conveniently. I genuinely believe to do so would shout out that the fans have become a group of entitled Man City wannabees.
That doesn't mean EH can stay forever but reassess early next season and then review. He's earned a chance to turn things round and so let him. If that doesn't work then yes it's thanks Eddie and goodbye.
For the summer I would happily see Gordon sold. Tino can go. Great player but too often injured. Tonali i would want to stay. Form is temporary, class is permanent. For his critics have a look at the teams who are said to be interested in him. That tells you all you need to know. Wissa can go for me but I guess he will stay as we won't get our money back on him. Nick I'd like to stay but should go unless we change our main tactic. We need a striker and I agree with Hamish and would say we go for Osminhen (sp?).
Nobody IMO has suggested one better manager, that we would likely get) to replace EH. And it's a big fat no to Jose. Don't like his tactics, he's not the 'pull' he used to be and hasn't exactly shown any modern tendencies in his managing in recent years. And I wouldn't appoint a manager because his interviews would be interesting. Others named would primarily all have huge risks involved as no significant track records.
Hopefully that has answered some of Awaymag's and Roly's points and CC's wumming.
There will be a clear out this summer and we have a Sporting Director in charge. The Sporting Director will dictate the players coming in and not Howe.
That was the position essentially until Staveley left and the players we bought were good enough.
Howe will obviously have a say but then again he did when we bought Trippier, Bruno, Gordon, Tino, Hall etc al. Amazing how some have short, convenient memories on this. Also name me one manager/sporting director who has a 100% record on purchasing good players.
Howe is the best manager we have had in my lifetime. His record proves it. And before anyone starts bleating on about how much we have spent consider how much other teams have spent, where was our starting point in relation to the teams we are competing against now, the financial gap between us and the likes of Man C, Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester U and Chelsea with particular regard to wages. Howe isn’t in charge of the finances.
At the start we all agreed it was going to be a bumpy ride. First real bump and the whining is deafening (the main reason a lot of people have stopped/reduced posting on here).
As we've hit a bump we don't start panicking with knee jerk reactions. Sacking EH would be exactly that.
And again before people start misconstrued what I'm saying, I agree this generally has been a poor season. But that doesn't automatically mean we sack the best manager I can remember us having. He's earned the right to have another go at rebuilding our team especially as we have all appropriate personnel in place which we didn't last summer. The saving us from relegation, the two CL qualifications and the winning of a recognised trophy shouldn't be swept under the carpet or forgotten about so quickly or so conveniently. I genuinely believe to do so would shout out that the fans have become a group of entitled Man City wannabees.
That doesn't mean EH can stay forever but reassess early next season and then review. He's earned a chance to turn things round and so let him. If that doesn't work then yes it's thanks Eddie and goodbye.
For the summer I would happily see Gordon sold. Tino can go. Great player but too often injured. Tonali i would want to stay. Form is temporary, class is permanent. For his critics have a look at the teams who are said to be interested in him. That tells you all you need to know. Wissa can go for me but I guess he will stay as we won't get our money back on him. Nick I'd like to stay but should go unless we change our main tactic. We need a striker and I agree with Hamish and would say we go for Osminhen (sp?).
Nobody IMO has suggested one better manager, that we would likely get) to replace EH. And it's a big fat no to Jose. Don't like his tactics, he's not the 'pull' he used to be and hasn't exactly shown any modern tendencies in his managing in recent years. And I wouldn't appoint a manager because his interviews would be interesting. Others named would primarily all have huge risks involved as no significant track records.
Hopefully that has answered some of Awaymag's and Roly's points and CC's wumming.
Too many people spend too much time watching and listening to ****e like true Geordie and decide people like him know more about the game than Eddie Howe and then come on here with his exact sound bites.
As Trev says any manager mentioned will come with massive risks if it comes to replacing Howe. Personally think only one it’s likely to be is Jose and then we can all complain about boring football. Any of the others names is basically going down a Chelsea/Spurs gamble because of a good season or 2 at smaller clubs.
As for us not being around we’re all just bored ****less of the same arguments.
Been news on training ground sponsor, hardly if at all mentioned. Been news on stadium location and reasons for it yet not been mentioned. New signing confirmed…… not mentioned….. season ticket waiting list opened up today yet not mentioned, Arsenal imploding again, hardly mentioned, Spurs possibly dropping….. hardly mentioned, boro possibly coming up…… not mentioned.
But 4-3-3 and Howe mentioned constantly.
As Trev says any manager mentioned will come with massive risks if it comes to replacing Howe. Personally think only one it’s likely to be is Jose and then we can all complain about boring football. Any of the others names is basically going down a Chelsea/Spurs gamble because of a good season or 2 at smaller clubs.
As for us not being around we’re all just bored ****less of the same arguments.
Been news on training ground sponsor, hardly if at all mentioned. Been news on stadium location and reasons for it yet not been mentioned. New signing confirmed…… not mentioned….. season ticket waiting list opened up today yet not mentioned, Arsenal imploding again, hardly mentioned, Spurs possibly dropping….. hardly mentioned, boro possibly coming up…… not mentioned.
But 4-3-3 and Howe mentioned constantly.
That's all well and good but none of it suits their narrative.
Second blip for me, and significantly worse than the first of two years ago. Trend is backwards. Squad is poor. Football is awful. Spending saved the club from relegation, not just Howe.
As I said, when you’ve lost the crowd, the players and the excuses become so thin, it’s an impossible task. Always has been, at every club, ever. Personally think sticking with him into next season will be a very big mistake. The club needs a manager who can deal with more than one game a week and who has more than one plan.
Not a narrative mate.
As I said, when you’ve lost the crowd, the players and the excuses become so thin, it’s an impossible task. Always has been, at every club, ever. Personally think sticking with him into next season will be a very big mistake. The club needs a manager who can deal with more than one game a week and who has more than one plan.
Not a narrative mate.
First 3 and a half seasons - awesome and beyond expectation.
This season - disaster, not helped by Isak going on striker and not being able to buy the strikers we wanted though.
We look like we'll lose every game right now though, and I don't see the owners sticking with him if this continues to the end of the season.
This season - disaster, not helped by Isak going on striker and not being able to buy the strikers we wanted though.
We look like we'll lose every game right now though, and I don't see the owners sticking with him if this continues to the end of the season.
We are 14th and if Spurs had not let in a last minute goal, we would have been in a relegation battle with Arsenal and Brighton up next.
It's mind blowing that we are just walking into this and hoping that Howe will turn it around next year. Howe doesnt learn, doesnt adapt and wants things his way or the high way. 2 DOF later and £250m on the bench and its all good.
If he is here next season Im putting money on us in a relegation battle, as that has been our form for a full year now!
For me two years ago was a blip but not a bump.
We weren't ready for Europe ie squad wise and playing two games a week. EH got us there much sooner than had been envisaged or expected. Now you're trying to use that against him which, for me, isn't right. Also, without checking, we just missed out as well from memory.
This season is the first real bump and for me EH has earned the right to turn things round.
Personally, couldn't care less about how the crowd feel. This is is a multi million pound business not a beauty parade. We win the next five games and that crowd will be singing EH's name from the rooftops. That's how fickle they are.
As far as excuses are concerned what exactly are you expecting him to say? Gordon cant be bothered as he's pushing for a transfer? Then watch Gordon's sale value plummet. And so on. Managers can't always say what they want due to business, finance and stroking players egos that the Club have invested millions of pounds into.
And believe me EH has more than one plan. Just watch the games to see that. Also with a bigger and better squad comes the ability to play more than one game per week.
This is more than a bump... We're one of the worst sides the Premier league despite being one of the highest spenders over Howes tenure.
It's time to accept the situation and get rid of Howe, because he's absolutely useless with squad management and his in game management is the worst I've ever seen at the club.
He was riding a wave of money and positivity, but when the spending went wrong the reality has been exposed unfortunately.
Thanks for the 4 years and it's time to go on without him.
It's time to accept the situation and get rid of Howe, because he's absolutely useless with squad management and his in game management is the worst I've ever seen at the club.
He was riding a wave of money and positivity, but when the spending went wrong the reality has been exposed unfortunately.
Thanks for the 4 years and it's time to go on without him.
Some of the players have given up.
Gordon and Tino clearly want out.
Tonali and Bruno don't.
Murphy, Elanga, Barnes, Wissa, Willock and Pope need to **** off. Peahearted wasters and **** players.
Gordon and Tino clearly want out.
Tonali and Bruno don't.
Murphy, Elanga, Barnes, Wissa, Willock and Pope need to **** off. Peahearted wasters and **** players.